The Bass is the place!!
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Must try that later.
There is also a song by Sting, cant rememer it just now, that has deep deep bass. But also a lot of small changes in frequenzy and also spl level. Chsnges that is difficult to reproduce.
Anything from Infected Mushrooms will test the punch bass arround 60-70hz. I like the first song from the album DB EMPIRE.
Must try that later.
There is also a song by Sting, cant rememer it just now, that has deep deep bass. But also a lot of small changes in frequenzy and also spl level. Chsnges that is difficult to reproduce.
Anything from Infected Mushrooms will test the punch bass arround 60-70hz. I like the first song from the album DB EMPIRE.
The organ in Reference Recordings of The Turtle Creek Choral "Psalms" will test the construction of your HOUSE if your system is up to the challenge.
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You're kidding me, right? If I understand you, you are evaluating the sound of a piece of music played back on a substantial home system through a recoding made on a video camera and then presumably through your computer, correct? Sounds to me like one of several possibilities exist: 1) You are blessed with hearing that no human begin can possibly have so you must be an alien; 2) credibility eludes you or 3) you're just yanking our chain for fun since such an assessment, accurate or not, is simply impossible under the circumstances stated. For your sake, I hope it's the latter.
Lol, those you tube videos can only do 192 kbps @ best. • https://www.h3xed.com/web-and-internet/youtube-audio-quality-bitrate-240p-360p-480p-720p-1080p
From July 2012 to some time in 2013, YouTube used these bitrates, as long as the originally-uploaded video had a high-enough bitrate or was lossless.
Resolution Audio Bit Rate Compression
Original 192 kbps AAC
1080p 192 kbps AAC
720p 192 kbps AAC
480p 128 kbps AAC
360p 128 kbps AAC
240p 64 kbps MP3
From July 2012 to some time in 2013, YouTube used these bitrates, as long as the originally-uploaded video had a high-enough bitrate or was lossless.
Resolution Audio Bit Rate Compression
Original 192 kbps AAC
1080p 192 kbps AAC
720p 192 kbps AAC
480p 128 kbps AAC
360p 128 kbps AAC
240p 64 kbps MP3
Yes. If I listen to a recording by someone made on a video camera of a quality piano being played for real, and then by someone else with a similar recording system of piano playback on a typical hifi system, then the first sounds real, and the second sounds like a hifi system, there are signature markers in the sound of the latter that give the game away - I know it's fake. I'm not intending to precisely establish what the measurable qualities of the sound are, but merely "sniff" the air of the sound, look for the telltale flaws, that make it obviously not the real thing. There are videos on YouTube of piano playback on audio systems which are highly convincing, far superior to the Wilson effort - I'm not looking for a "good system", I'm looking one which could possibly fool me ...
Bob, there are peculiarities with YouTube at the moment, 1080p does not give you 192, no matter what websites say. Or any higher resolution either. Only 720p gives the best quality, if it's available.
This may change at any time, of course, depending upon what changes are made to the YouTube uploading software, as things move on - something to check every now and again.
tidal users.. heres a playlist with some serious bass....unfortunately not mostly classical
tidal.com/playlist/4700e3a8-3659-457e-a2ee-69624282b431
tidal.com/playlist/4700e3a8-3659-457e-a2ee-69624282b431
True that the dates above are only from July 2012 to some time in 2013. And before that it was @ lesser audio resolution.
After some time in 2013 and up to now...Spring 2016, I just don't know exactly, but if you say what you just said I believe you.
I didn't pursue the matter to extreme, but I do know that from a small screen the best youtube videos seem to be the 4K ones, and if you have a 4K PC screen monitor or 4K laptop screen, I bet they look very good. As for the audio portion, some folks claim 320 kbps and near 4K video definition (their recordings), but I don't know exactly what comes out exactly from it.
I simply assume that if your laptop is up to it, it can sure deliver.
It's not CD or LP quality though, it is compressed still.
But Frank, here's the pudding on top of the cream and cherry: The real fudge syrup is in the hi-res audio recording of the music reproduced by full range top notch designed loudspeakers...much more so than small 2-way monitors. The full scale of the piano would be closer to the real thing with them full "flangers".
And the very big ones, Mike Lavigne, Jack, ...I would love for classical orchestral music. There is simply no substitute for volume size when it comes to a large number of musicians playing together and reproduced by a pair of large full range loudspeakers. It'll do jazz and blues and tango and flamenco and Cuban and Rock and World and Folk and chamber classical as well.
But a pair of small monitors won't do all those music genres with the same veracity and tenacity and aplomb.
There is a science in audio called volume...space...cubic. I'm talking a large space here.
In a small room, say 10' by 8' by 7.2' high, you cannot enter speakers taller than 7.2 feet. Even @ 6.8 feet tall, four feet deep and 18 inches wide, you wouldn't put them in that room as your nearfield monitors and crank the master volume on your preamp passed -40dB (1 RMS Watt). ...Realistically...science of physics and common sense and good health for your hearing and what your wife might think of your psychological state of the affairs up there in your head department. :b
Bass is the place, and forget RAP music inside a mini sports car with four 18 inchers and 6,000 RMS Watts into 4 Ohm loads with 168 decibels on peaks and every week the need to buy two new side windows plus the front windshield and the rear window!
I am getting overboard and you are getting my point, which is the intelligent point. ...Of curse.
Frank, looking @ them pictures from Munich High End Audio show, I cannot stop dreaming of being a 'bilbollaire'. ...Multi 'bipollaire'. ...Many bank accounts in all the top world's cities and countryside estates and mansions and villas and castles and penthouses. I think we're all dreamers, I am not alone.
I also remember couple members here @ WBF with very nice systems (super nice) in super nice houses. Phil is here, David is here, Jack is here, Mike is here, Steve and Steve are here, many are here, but these two aren't no more. I could do a search if I truly wanted to locate their few posts from the past, but I think it could take long. They were both Europeans. One of them has a house with light tones, very modern and exuding class. ...And the other one was synonymous of comfort above the clouds on a sunset sky as background...with purple velvet silk earth tones.
No small monitors in their main rooms, not even in their walking closets.
Frank, you remember Fabio? The guy who was selling not real butter. Well, he never posted here @ WBF...just not yet. You have any hint of an idea why not?
That was a cool youtube interview Ray posted over there.
Bass is the place, and I do have a funky bass CD, among others, this one:
After some time in 2013 and up to now...Spring 2016, I just don't know exactly, but if you say what you just said I believe you.
I didn't pursue the matter to extreme, but I do know that from a small screen the best youtube videos seem to be the 4K ones, and if you have a 4K PC screen monitor or 4K laptop screen, I bet they look very good. As for the audio portion, some folks claim 320 kbps and near 4K video definition (their recordings), but I don't know exactly what comes out exactly from it.
I simply assume that if your laptop is up to it, it can sure deliver.
It's not CD or LP quality though, it is compressed still.
But Frank, here's the pudding on top of the cream and cherry: The real fudge syrup is in the hi-res audio recording of the music reproduced by full range top notch designed loudspeakers...much more so than small 2-way monitors. The full scale of the piano would be closer to the real thing with them full "flangers".
And the very big ones, Mike Lavigne, Jack, ...I would love for classical orchestral music. There is simply no substitute for volume size when it comes to a large number of musicians playing together and reproduced by a pair of large full range loudspeakers. It'll do jazz and blues and tango and flamenco and Cuban and Rock and World and Folk and chamber classical as well.
But a pair of small monitors won't do all those music genres with the same veracity and tenacity and aplomb.
There is a science in audio called volume...space...cubic. I'm talking a large space here.
In a small room, say 10' by 8' by 7.2' high, you cannot enter speakers taller than 7.2 feet. Even @ 6.8 feet tall, four feet deep and 18 inches wide, you wouldn't put them in that room as your nearfield monitors and crank the master volume on your preamp passed -40dB (1 RMS Watt). ...Realistically...science of physics and common sense and good health for your hearing and what your wife might think of your psychological state of the affairs up there in your head department. :b
Bass is the place, and forget RAP music inside a mini sports car with four 18 inchers and 6,000 RMS Watts into 4 Ohm loads with 168 decibels on peaks and every week the need to buy two new side windows plus the front windshield and the rear window!
I am getting overboard and you are getting my point, which is the intelligent point. ...Of curse.
Frank, looking @ them pictures from Munich High End Audio show, I cannot stop dreaming of being a 'bilbollaire'. ...Multi 'bipollaire'. ...Many bank accounts in all the top world's cities and countryside estates and mansions and villas and castles and penthouses. I think we're all dreamers, I am not alone.
I also remember couple members here @ WBF with very nice systems (super nice) in super nice houses. Phil is here, David is here, Jack is here, Mike is here, Steve and Steve are here, many are here, but these two aren't no more. I could do a search if I truly wanted to locate their few posts from the past, but I think it could take long. They were both Europeans. One of them has a house with light tones, very modern and exuding class. ...And the other one was synonymous of comfort above the clouds on a sunset sky as background...with purple velvet silk earth tones.
No small monitors in their main rooms, not even in their walking closets.
Frank, you remember Fabio? The guy who was selling not real butter. Well, he never posted here @ WBF...just not yet. You have any hint of an idea why not?
That was a cool youtube interview Ray posted over there.
Bass is the place, and I do have a funky bass CD, among others, this one:
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Bob, you're the man for doing OTT posts ... no-one can beat you !!
I did some exercises quite some weeks ago, of downloading a particular video, at all the resolutions available, and running a software check on the embedded audio. This is how I confirmed what's going on, and that the audio track is absolutely identical at 360p, as for 4K, say. But, the video quality is certainly better at higher res, no complaints there - I got hold of a ZZ Top live show, and I could count the hairs on their chinny chin chins ...
Bob, monster speakers are not required for big sound - I've heard dozens and dozens of these types of transducers over the years, and one or two were outstanding, and the rest ranged from OK down to execrable. When I bought the bits for my first good system, the dealer had a set of the Duntech monoliths towering over us while we talked - had a listen to them ... okay, but they didn't set me on fire.
I've been happy with the subjective size of the sound I've got from small speakers, plus at times I've pushed them to deafening levels without them falling in a heap, full composure retained - I have no need for physical big stuff for what I'm after. In fact, my satisfaction is achieving highly competent replay from very unassuming equipment; proving a point, so to speak ...
I did some exercises quite some weeks ago, of downloading a particular video, at all the resolutions available, and running a software check on the embedded audio. This is how I confirmed what's going on, and that the audio track is absolutely identical at 360p, as for 4K, say. But, the video quality is certainly better at higher res, no complaints there - I got hold of a ZZ Top live show, and I could count the hairs on their chinny chin chins ...
Bob, monster speakers are not required for big sound - I've heard dozens and dozens of these types of transducers over the years, and one or two were outstanding, and the rest ranged from OK down to execrable. When I bought the bits for my first good system, the dealer had a set of the Duntech monoliths towering over us while we talked - had a listen to them ... okay, but they didn't set me on fire.
I've been happy with the subjective size of the sound I've got from small speakers, plus at times I've pushed them to deafening levels without them falling in a heap, full composure retained - I have no need for physical big stuff for what I'm after. In fact, my satisfaction is achieving highly competent replay from very unassuming equipment; proving a point, so to speak ...
Below is a repeat of a post from February, but since this thread is specifically about bass, I hope you'll find my re-posting here useful. The bass tracks on the Sound Doctor CD mentioned below are the recommended tracks from JL Audio to make sure your sub can do 120dB without significant distortion. I'm serious, that's what JL Audio specifically states. You will need to strap yourself in for some of those tracks.
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I finally had an opportunity to spend some time with the recommended bass test CD recommended by JL Audio's Barry Ober. First, it is much more than a bass test CD. It is a thorough systems set-up disc with detailed instructions in a very complete and thorough manner (5 pages, double-sided). But for bass? OMG! There are selections on this CD that are jaw dropping. I mean, I thought I knew of a few good bass demo tracks, but I am an amateur compared to what these guys have wrought. The bass selections contain both musical pieces as well as an assortment of sonic spectaculars. However, today I do need to inspect my house foundation for potential cracks. Not just highly recommended for bass set-up with subs, but essential for any system set-up. It can be found here. This is surely the best 18 bucks I have ever spent for a test CD.
www.soundoctor.com/testcd
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I finally had an opportunity to spend some time with the recommended bass test CD recommended by JL Audio's Barry Ober. First, it is much more than a bass test CD. It is a thorough systems set-up disc with detailed instructions in a very complete and thorough manner (5 pages, double-sided). But for bass? OMG! There are selections on this CD that are jaw dropping. I mean, I thought I knew of a few good bass demo tracks, but I am an amateur compared to what these guys have wrought. The bass selections contain both musical pieces as well as an assortment of sonic spectaculars. However, today I do need to inspect my house foundation for potential cracks. Not just highly recommended for bass set-up with subs, but essential for any system set-up. It can be found here. This is surely the best 18 bucks I have ever spent for a test CD.
www.soundoctor.com/testcd
An old reliable for me is ZZ Top's Afterburner, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFgl0z1Hr28 - full of synthesized drum beats, etc, which have a deep subterranean, emerging from the bowels of the earth feel to them - when people use the term "heavy metal", this is where I think the term really applies - literally feeling the impact of a huge anvil, say, dropping from a great height onto the earth.
I was surprised when hearing this on a DEQX, all active system, with twin sealed subwoofers - it didn't get the feel right, the raw impact of the hits didn't jell; it was far too 'light' ...
I was surprised when hearing this on a DEQX, all active system, with twin sealed subwoofers - it didn't get the feel right, the raw impact of the hits didn't jell; it was far too 'light' ...
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When you play the first tune; A Thousand Years, @ your normal listening level, to go with this particular album (or CD), watch carefully your woofer drivers.
They do move, and move a lot. So yeah, I knew that this particular tune of this great album by Sting, Brand New Day, was most likely the one you were referring to.
Also, the bass in Tea in the Sahara, by The Police, from the album Synchronicity, is very special, and a good test for your speakers (system) to see if you can easily distinguish those special double bass notes. In lesser systems you won't; they'll sound like one of the same.
The bass notes in "Tea in the Sahara" ISN'T that deep. The notes are in the 40-45Hz range.
I don't own the Sting album with "A Thousand Years" so I can't say about that one.
I don't own the Sting album with "A Thousand Years" so I can't say about that one.
I just wasted precious minutes of my lifetime. But can someone here tell me the music genre these guys are listening to, or is it music or something else?
I have none of that stuff in my music collection, and I don't feel I'm missing anything if I die without discovering what these guys are on.
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I have none of that stuff in my music collection, and I don't feel I'm missing anything if I die without discovering what these guys are on.
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True, and that's why I didn't say they were deep; they are special double bass notes that lesser systems are not able to separate...that's all.
I don't think any member here have a speaker system that can't separate them.
From Audio Ideas Guide review I couldn't find that reference to that tune online. I still have the mag somewhere but I have no idea in which one.
Sorry about that; I looked for the last half hour. And Andrew Marshall (AIG owner) is not very generous with his reviews and articles of years passed, online.
Anyway, it's still a good tune and the bass is the place.
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I'm sure I'm not the first person here to see a video like this demonstrating loud bass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQjVN13dI10
but what't the point?
None of these sound like anything we would want to listen to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQjVN13dI10
but what't the point?
None of these sound like anything we would want to listen to.
Marty, Thanks for reminding me I have this CD. I have no doubt this cd's got some good bass tracks, but I've never played it! (I used REW for set-up). Also, the bass technical reference info on Barry's website is some of the best you'll find anywhere. I'm going to go back and dig it out.
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