I love Ann Coulter. She has the balls to go on Bill Maher's show in front of a very liberal audience and defend her positions. She's also one of the few that is willing to sit on the panel as well.
This Corona Virus Mania is Just Too Much, We All Need to Chill!
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I love Ann Coulter. She has the balls to go on Bill Maher's show in front of a very liberal audience and defend her positions. She's also one of the few that is willing to sit on the panel as well.
I totally agree that it’s not a apocalyptical event, and if it is managed correctly
can be overcome in a couple of months, as long as the infection is spread
out over a period of time that gives the healthcare system time to manage
it, most will survive.
It's not another "flu". The problem is that it's not just the mortality rate that is 10-30 x higher (exact range yet to be determined) than the seasonal flu. What makes this so dangerous is that the transmission rate is so high; as you say it's pretty damn infectious. SARS, which was even deadlier, had a low transmission rate, also because a person was only infectious after developing severe symptoms. Yet with the current Coronavirus you are contagious way before developing symptoms. With the flu the transmission rate is 1-1.5, i.e. one infected person infects up to 1.5 others. But with this one it is 2-2.5, which is brutal (the spread increases more exponentially than linearly from a rate of 1.5 to 2.5). You want to have millions dead without flattening the curve, be my guest, but without me, please. Even if you flatten the curve the estimates are now about 100,000 deaths, which is 5 times the flu. But to achieve this, you have to do everything right, strict social distancing for a few more weeks, keeping hospital personnel from getting infected, a huge number of ventilators etc. Not sure if we can achieve that.
So yes, this has to be taken very seriously, and I don't think the media overhype it. Because, again, if we don't do everything right, which is questionable that we will, the death toll will be *much* higher. The hospital system is already overwhelmed in some places, and this is still with the peak two weeks away. At that time, it will be complete mayhem. And what happens in NYC now, will happen elsewhere in the country a few weeks later. There is no escape.
The point with overwhelming the hospital system, which is such an urgent problem since the virus disease is so care intensive, is that everything will become deadlier -- heart disease, cancer, diabetes, organ failure, car accidents, you name it.
Calm is appropriate in any crisis.
Chills may be one of the symptoms.
We were lied to for political and economic reasons.
That means needless illness death.
Chills may be one of the symptoms.
We were lied to for political and economic reasons.
That means needless illness death.
I wish this was the longest joke post of the year. You didn't even argue against what I said, you just proclaimed you were. I think I'll start calling it flu.2 since even if I don't I get accused I am.
You said "it's like having 2 flu seasons at once". We already have one, so this would be the second "flu". But it's not.
CONTEXT, Al. When discussing the load on the medical system you're not being explicit about symptoms - it's an analogy. Also the word "like", I thought everyone was clear on it after the whole valley-girl thing when I was a kid.
Guys, I started this thread to bring levity to the situation not to make it into another existential discussion. I don't know who this corny person is but he's got some records!
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That's the forum section your thread is in David, and not in the Joke section.
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Just switch it in the Joke section. So that if someone post medical news he's not off topic or on politic. Yeah?
That's the forum section your thread is in David, and not in the Joke section.
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Just switch it in the Joke section. So that if someone post medical news he's not off topic or on politic. Yeah?
If you go to any hospital in an area where the virus struck real hard, you'll wish you had a zombie apocalypse. These hospitals do not function as normal hospitals anymore. All doctors from all professions work on Covid-19 patients. Doctors working 7/24 on these patients are getting sick (some of them die) and replaced by healthy ones until they are burned out/sick/dead. There are patients who are treated on the bare floor in hallways. There are body bags everywhere because you can't transfer the dead to their relatives. Bodies have to be buried by officials without relatives. They are carried by military trucks to rural sites for burial in some cases. AND THIS HAPPENS IN THE CENTER OF EUROPE not in Afghanistan. In Italy, France, Spain there are hospitals that lose +20 patients in just one night! You don't want to have a heart attack or brake your leg if you live in one of these towns.
Hospitals that are hit by Covid-19 are like places you can only imagine in World War 3. The difference is you don't really get what is going on until it hits you. It's just a flu until then. They are like deadly road accidents. People are always dying what's the deal right?
This time please listen to scientists. Doctors. No, this is not like flu. This is not like car accidents or shark attacks that kill thousands each year. This is massively bigger than anything they have seen in their lifetime. They are appalled by how big this is. Believe the science, please.
If you are peace at home, I wish you the health & the best but just because you feel safe doesn't mean the worst thing since WW2 has struck us and people are trying hard to stop this virus from spreading to other areas/hospitals.
Hospitals that are hit by Covid-19 are like places you can only imagine in World War 3. The difference is you don't really get what is going on until it hits you. It's just a flu until then. They are like deadly road accidents. People are always dying what's the deal right?
This time please listen to scientists. Doctors. No, this is not like flu. This is not like car accidents or shark attacks that kill thousands each year. This is massively bigger than anything they have seen in their lifetime. They are appalled by how big this is. Believe the science, please.
If you are peace at home, I wish you the health & the best but just because you feel safe doesn't mean the worst thing since WW2 has struck us and people are trying hard to stop this virus from spreading to other areas/hospitals.
Again, I'm not dismissing it's seriousness just see the fear of and reaction to worse than the virus itself. There are two ways to look at this, number of deaths or number of recoveries. I'm not at peace at home but not because of fear of the virus but fear of what we have to deal with if we burrow in too deep and too long.
There is actual good news too.
https://techstartups.com/2020/03/28...3KjVmu8UvJBGg3g_1Ki93hkkCXtopxIZE9I0fYnWvmroY
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A sad corona virus death 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/playboy-magazine-folds-after-66-years-coronavirus/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/playboy-magazine-folds-after-66-years-coronavirus/
A sad corona virus death
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/playboy-magazine-folds-after-66-years-coronavirus/
What will you do now? At least you have a music system
You know i love you Bob, but you
telling someone they are posting in
the wrong thread, is definitely a case of the kettle calling someone black
Parcarka thanks for your perspective. Most of us are lucky enough to have not been in a worst hit area yet.
Just not sure why everyone is in such a hurry to call the outcome of this? At this point I would think not enough is yet known to really project the outcome for those areas not yet hit... but the fact that this can clearly go very bad should surely make us not ever underestimate it.
No matter how big this ends up being here we can still choose to contribute to minimise this virus or just ignore. As to projecting the outcome there are no prizes for just being hypothetically right if we aren’t making a positive difference by our actions when the reality in the outcomes are in the numbers of people dying at any rate.
As for arguing various projections it strikes me as something of a hubris, best we admit that we honestly just don’t have that information yet. This isn’t something as small as analogue v digital. This is about people dying. In these circumstances how can we ever equate being right with winning.
The only people winning in this are the ones who are actually out there and helping others and those helping to save lives. The rest of us may just be relatively helpless spectators with a range of yet to be validated opinions about how this may go.
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