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Hello Lloyd, interesting observations, thanks for that. I agree with you as regards your remark about very important qualities, although subtle in a way with the isolators you and I are using. However, in my LA system as regards top notch Tripoint Audio grounding with Miguel’s best ‘grounding’ devices and his state of the art grounding cables my sonic experiences are different: in my LA set up the impact of this grounding is profound and as a consequence I consider - as I mentioned earlier on this forum - grounding one of the key elements (together with in particular power, acoustics and isolation) for audio/music enthusiasts in order to achieve a ‘humanistic’ sound (or if you wish: an non mechanical sound) in which the distortion, created by our various audio devices, is (totally) cancelled.Look forward to hearing how that goes. Not sure about the tech at all. In our case the Waversa EXT Ref Plus goes in between the Zanden Transport and the Zanden DAC (it has RJ45, or usb or other connections depending on what you want in your configuration)...and it feels like the Zanden has moved forward several generations in reproduction (very modern in its resolution, resolve, air)...while remaining absolutely true to its original voicing that it has always had.
I can imagine that you are experiencing similar qualities which are very very important but also subtle in that it is not like simply upgrading an amp or changing a cable...it is more akin to the kinds of improvements (at least in our case) that we got from using Tripoint and Entreq.
Hi Audiocrack,Hello Lloyd, interesting observations, thanks for that. I agree with you as regards your remark about very important qualities, although subtle in a way with the isolators you and I are using. However, in my LA system as regards top notch Tripoint Audio grounding with Miguel’s best ‘grounding’ devices and his state of the art grounding cables my sonic experiences are different: in my LA set up the impact of this grounding is profound and as a consequence I consider - as I mentioned earlier on this forum - grounding one of the key elements (together with in particular power, acoustics and isolation) for audio/music enthusiasts in order to achieve a ‘humanistic’ sound (or if you wish: an non mechanical sound) in which the distortion, created by our various audio devices, is (totally) cancelled.
Hi Lloyd, your comparison - grounding versus digital isolators - is intriguing. On the one hand we are comparing apples and oranges, in particular pricewise (you also explicitly mentioned that grounding is much more expensive). To put the aspect of costs into some perspective: the rrp of Tripoint Audio’s latest top of the line ‘grounding’ station, the Emperor NG, is higher than the rrp of my Kondo G-1000 linestage as well as the rrp of the Kondo Gakuoh amps (albeit not as high as the rrp of my Kondo Kagura amps). The rrp of the ‘regular’ Aardvark isolator as well as the ultra Aardvark isolator are only a minuscule fraction of the rrp’s I referred to in the previous sentence. However, the ‘regular’ Aardvark isolator is a ‘bold‘ device that I cherish because in my LA set up it blocks very effectively ‘digital noise’ and as such it fulfils a very important task (BTW, I am currently burning in the Aardvark ultra isolator so I do not know yet how good that device is and how it compares to the ‘regular’ Aardvark isolator. Furthermore, after fully burning in the Aardvark ultra isolator I need to do some experiments: right now this device is connected to the Wadax reference server on one side and the Tidal Audio ethernet cable on the other side, while the latter is connected to my switch. According to Eduardo this set up is most of the time the most effective in battling ‘digital noise’. However, not in all audio systems: sometimes greater sonic benefits can be achieved by connecting the isolator directly to the switch in stead of the server while connecting a high quality ethernet cable to the server).Hi
Hi Audiocrack,
Thanks for that. I agree that if I had to 'lose' grounding or the Waversa, I would lose the Waversa (with much much regret!). However, if people were to ask me to express the actual improvements that the Waversa brings, I would say that in comparison with new speakers, new amps, new cables, new isolation...the Waversa's quality and kind of changes is most similar in character to that of good grounding...just not to the extreme level that good (and much more expensive) grounding can do.
The question is: do you find the same in your system, or are the qualities/character of improvements actually different between your Aardvark and your grounding system?
Fantastic. Like with most audio, setup is key, and the details matter. Sounds like you are arriving at that point if not already arrived.I remember that when the Wadax reference PSU and the Akasa dc cables were just released a while back I talked with Javier on the phone about what this PSU and these cables were doing exactly, sonically speaking. He mentioned at the time that they give you the illusion of being actually transported to the venue in which the musicians are performing. After 6 days of listening to the Wadax reference PSU and Wadax Akasa dc cables in my LA system I much better understand what Javier was referring to at the time. Both the PSU and the Akasa cables not only create a much more convincing 3D presentation, that is providing space to the separate musicians within the space casu quo soundstage, but add to this clearly more command, additional density, explosive dynamics and a larger as well as a wider soundstage. The combined effect of all this is that the Wadax reference server / dac / PSU / Akasa cabling combination provides you much more convincingly with the illusion that you are actually listening to ‘real’ musicians performing live for you. The overall effect in combination with the Tripoint Audio ‘grounding’ (see for the importance of the latter my previous WBF post) is so staggering that I am glued to my listening chair: by far the best sound I have ever experienced in my (audio) life.
Hello Lloyd, let me answer as follows. I still listen occasionally to vinyl in hifi systems of other persons and I still like vinyl very much. However I have not listened to vinyl in my own LA system for a couple of years now. There is first of all a practical reason for that. Apart from one (semi) balanced input in my Kondo G-1000 (which I use for digital) my Kondo amps are single ended. This implies I am not able to place my vinyl rigs far away from my preamp because I cannot use use long cables (without losing a lot of quality). Furthermore my Tidal LA loudspeakers are so critical that I experienced the following: using (high quality) audio racks between the LA’s had a negative effect on the overall performance of the LA system. That is the reason why I am not employing any audio rack anymore but only two high quality, oxygen free copper slabs placed on top each other per single audio component (btw these copper platforms sound awesome, much better than any high quality audio rack / table I have listened to). Due to this choice all my audio equipment is positioned (low) on the floor with much less interference with my LA’s. But this deliberate choice has one disadvantage: I need a lot of floor space for all my audio components, even without a high quality turntable: 2 poweramps, Kondo linestage (2 units: PSU and head unit), Wadax server, Wadax dac, Wadax reference PSU (for the server), 2 PSU’s for the Wadax dac and four Tripoint Audio ‘grounding’ stations. That is in total 13 audio components (and I am not even counting my Zanden 2000p cd-transport and its PSU). Due to a lack of space I have placed the Wadax reference PSU for the server, the two Wadax PSU’s for the dac as well as the (very large and heavy) Tripoint emperor mk ii ‘grounding’ station in the conservatory directly behind my listening room.Fantastic. Like with most audio, setup is key, and the details matter. Sounds like you are arriving at that point if not already arrived.
Regarding your Wadax...given how much SOTA experience you have...and how your entire system is SOTA...one has to ask, how often do you pick up the digital version of something vs the vinyl? For many people, how well digital compares with great vinyl is always the high watermark...particularly among those who have invested significantly into both. How do you compare your own digital v analog?
WOW. That is great new for those who love their digital and particularly for the future (which is digital in terms of recording, mastering, etc). It means high quality audio via the digital route all the way from the audio recording/mastering chain through to output back through the playback system should comfortable be able to take lead position among the various formats.Hello Lloyd, let me answer as follows. I still listen occasionally to vinyl in hifi systems of other persons and I still like vinyl very much. However I have not listened to vinyl in my own LA system for a couple of years now. There is first of all a practical reason for that. Apart from one (semi) balanced input in my Kondo G-1000 (which I use for digital) my Kondo amps are single ended. This implies I am not able to place my vinyl rigs far away from my preamp because I cannot use use long cables (without losing a lot of quality). Furthermore my Tidal LA loudspeakers are so critical that I experienced the following: using (high quality) audio racks between the LA’s had a negative effect on the overall performance of the LA system. That is the reason why I am not employing any audio rack anymore but only two high quality, oxygen free copper slabs placed on top each other per single audio component (btw these copper platforms sound awesome, much better than any high quality audio rack / table I have listened to). Due to this choice all my audio equipment is positioned (low) on the floor with much less interference with my LA’s. But this deliberate choice has one disadvantage: I need a lot of floor space for all my audio components, even without a high quality turntable: 2 poweramps, Kondo linestage (2 units: PSU and head unit), Wadax server, Wadax dac, Wadax reference PSU (for the server), 2 PSU’s for the Wadax dac and four Tripoint Audio ‘grounding’ stations. That is in total 13 audio components (and I am not even counting my Zanden 2000p cd-transport and its PSU). Due to a lack of space I have placed the Wadax reference PSU for the server, the two Wadax PSU’s for the dac as well as the (very large and heavy) Tripoint emperor mk ii ‘grounding’ station in the conservatory directly behind my listening room.
Secondly the LA system with all my Tripoint Audio grounding has become so utterly transparent that the inherent distortion of vinyl has become very obvious indeed. Many audiophiles like this and that is totally fine of course. While at the same time digital has become so much better in say the last 10 years or so. I know that for example Roy Gregory still prefers vinyl to the complete Wadax rig I am currently listening to. But in comparison to him I am doing some things differently with my Wadax rig: (i) all my Wadax components benefit greatly from the aforementioned copper slabs as platforms, (ii) my Wadax reference server, reference PSU and reference dac are mass loaded with (again) two high quality, oxygen free copper slabs stacked on each other and (iii) I am employing state of the art Tripoint Audio grounding for all my Wadax components individually. So apart from the ‘digital convenience’ the overall quality of this digital set up is so high that I am not (really) missing my vinyl anymore. I hope this explains my choices.
Hi Lloyd, of course this is just my opinion based on my listening experiences with my LA system. But digital has become imo indeed that good. The WBF members who think cq claim that servers are an inferior medium, have apparently never heard a top server set up well. And yes, I believe - and I experienced this many times in various audio systems - that top notch sound requires inter alia (i) a lot of care as regards choosing /combining various audio components and (ii) a lot of care as regards setting them up properly/ideally. Good to hear that your beloved Zanden combo is still improving.WOW. That is great new for those who love their digital and particularly for the future (which is digital in terms of recording, mastering, etc). It means high quality audio via the digital route all the way from the audio recording/mastering chain through to output back through the playback system should comfortable be able to take lead position among the various formats.
I really would like to hear the Wadax set up properly someday. Interestingly, I somehow sense that setting up the Wadax properly (including all of its adjustments) is as important as having the Wadax in the first place. Not that this should surprise me, given how much work I have successfully done in our own system with the Zanden which continues to improve in sound reproduction quality year after year.