Videos - oomph, tympani, menace, power

[hopkins]

After listening to the videos from Tim, Slap Echo and myself of the Mahler 1, beginning movement 4, I'm left thinking it could be a somewhat useful way to gain insight into different systems playing the same recording without actually being in the different rooms in person.

My video sounds a little detached and thin by comparison, and I like the bass foundation evident in the other videos. But in the room, it doesn't sound bass shy. The Tim and SE videos might sound a bit over bass-centric to me, but I bet they sound more balanced in the room.

That being said, (that basically iPhone videos really don't sound good), I do think the videos communicate some relative sonic qualities effectively and so can be useful.

My sound preferences have always been for more incisiveness in the quest to avoid any hint of bass boom. Hearing the other videos though gave me the idea to adjust my sub crossover point subtlety toward more bass. So perhaps, listening to these videos has prompted me to make an improvement and maybe I'll continue to add a little more bass foundation.

On Tim's two recordings of the Mahler, I like the first better than the Tilson-Thomas as it sounds more incisive and balanced to me.

Also, interestingly, I don't hear any artifacts of excessive room interaction in any of these videos which I've been accustomed to hearing in many video threads.

Another obvious conclusion is how far all system videos - and in room sound - are from live music. You only need to hear the first second - the cymbals and drum rolls, to understand... That obviously does not prevent us from enjoying the composition and performance, but evaluating systems in terms of proximity to live sound is like asking someone to choose whether he would prefer eating only McDonalds or Burger King for the rest of his life Neither one of them is going to be a satisfying substitute for the many culinary delights we can experience.

The limitations of our systems are obvious on any type of music - you don't need a symphonic piece to understand them. Playing loud is not going to mask the issues...

 

[tima]

After listening to the videos from Tim, Slap Echo and myself of the Mahler 1, beginning movement 4, I'm left thinking it could be a somewhat useful way to gain insight into different systems playing the same recording without actually being in the different rooms in person.

My video sounds a little detached and thin by comparison, and I like the bass foundation evident in the other videos. But in the room, it doesn't sound bass shy. The Tim and SE videos might sound a bit over bass-centric to me, but I bet they sound more balanced in the room.

That being said, (that basically iPhone videos really don't sound good), I do think the videos communicate some relative sonic qualities effectively and so can be useful.

My sound preferences have always been for more incisiveness in the quest to avoid any hint of bass boom. Hearing the other videos though gave me the idea to adjust my sub crossover point subtlety toward more bass. So perhaps, listening to these videos has prompted me to make an improvement and maybe I'll continue to add a little more bass foundation.

On Tim's two recordings of the Mahler, I like the first better than the Tilson-Thomas as it sounds more incisive and balanced to me.

Also, interestingly, I don't hear any artifacts of excessive room interaction in any of these videos which I've been accustomed to hearing in many video threads.

I like this post.

I agree with the words you use to describe your M1 4m system video. Still, it sounds good and I encourage you to post more classical music videos from your system.

I agree that posting on YouTube does not enhance a music video versus what is heard in-room.

I agree completely that my Mahler vid with Ancerl and the Czech PO sounds better than the TT SFS video. Better sound, better recording and better performance.

When you say 'incisive' in conjunction with bass boom', I'm thinking you mean 'tighter' or less hangover into the room? Is that close? I might say something like 'more articulate'. There are tradeoffs. My system maybe could use a few more square feet. You don't typically hear hangover in the concert hall.

 

[tima]

Another obvious conclusion is how far all system videos - and in room sound - are from live music. You only need to hear the first second - the cymbals and drum rolls, to understand... That obviously does not prevent us from enjoying the composition and performance, but evaluating systems in terms of proximity to live sound is like asking someone to choose whether he would prefer eating only McDonalds or Burger King for the rest of his life Neither one of them is going to be a satisfying substitute for the many culinary delights we can experience.

The limitations of our systems are obvious on any type of music - you don't need a symphonic piece to understand them. Playing loud is not going to mask the issues...

Nonetheless my system reminds me more of what I hear in the concert hall versus something else. I don't know a better reference than live acoustic music.

 

[wil]

Hi ,yes
Trumpet Concert No. 2: I. Mesto - Concitato · Håkan Hardenberger · Royal Stockholm Philharmonic Orchestra · Fabien Gabel

What is your source on this recording?

 

[Daro]

What is your source on this recording?

Hi,
in this recording I used Tidal, Wiim ultra signal reduced to 16bit and Dac Apogee-da1000, Klangfilm coaxial cable, Saec silver interconnect
Marantz 7 preamp, Ortofon pp el34 amps very rare model

 

[Rexp]

Hi,
in this recording I used Tidal, Wiim ultra signal reduced to 16bit and Dac Apogee-da1000, Klangfilm coaxial cable, Saec silver interconnect
Marantz 7 preamp, Ortofon pp el34 amps very rare model

Iphone?

 

[Daro]

Iphone?

yes, iPhone 13

 

[wil]

Another obvious conclusion is how far all system videos - and in room sound - are from live music. You only need to hear the first second - the cymbals and drum rolls, to understand... That obviously does not prevent us from enjoying the composition and performance, but evaluating systems in terms of proximity to live sound is like asking someone to choose whether he would prefer eating only McDonalds or Burger King for the rest of his life Neither one of them is going to be a satisfying substitute for the many culinary delights we can experience.

The limitations of our systems are obvious on any type of music - you don't need a symphonic piece to understand them. Playing loud is not going to mask the issues...

I think relegating reproduced music in a room to a junk food equivalent is harsh!

I see it more like: Stereo vs Live acoustic music and sound
Cinema vs Eyes/Brain direct experience

Maybe the same delta, but not setting the Stereo in Room experience so low.

 

[wil]

I like this post.

I agree with the words you use to describe your M1 4m system video. Still, it sounds good and I encourage you to post more classical music videos from your system.

I agree that posting on YouTube does not enhance a music video versus what is heard in-room.

I agree completely that my Mahler vid with Ancerl and the Czech PO sounds better than the TT SFS video. Better sound, better recording and better performance.

When you say 'incisive' in conjunction with bass boom', I'm thinking you mean 'tighter' or less hangover into the room? Is that close? I might say something like 'more articulate'. There are tradeoffs. My system maybe could use a few more square feet. You don't typically hear hangover in the concert hall.

Agree that "articulation" is a more emcompassing descriptor. "Incisiveness" is more a part of articulation.

I think we're all seeking a balanced state between the Bass foundation and higher frequencies. When the bass draws too much attention to itself it can smother and tilt the awareness away from the lighter textures and air. And when it's leaning too far the other way, the music loses the essential and unique fundamental dimensionality that only bass can provide.

I think, to date, I've only heard what seemed to be the perfect balance once, without ever falling out of balance, live from a lower balcony seat at Lincoln Center. 3 hours of orchestral and vocal sound that was as natural as, well, the sounds you hear in Nature!

 

[hopkins]

I think relegating reproduced music in a room to a junk food equivalent is harsh!

I see it more like: Stereo vs Live acoustic music and sound
Cinema vs Eyes/Brain direct experience

Maybe the same delta, but not setting the Stereo in Room experience so low.

Let's just say they are two different things. Is "suspension of disbelief" a result of the system, or is it purely psychological? Our own "mindset" that stops focusing on the sound and lets our imagination loose?

I am reminded of this famous and powerful scene in "Soylent Green" where we watch Edward G. Robinson watching a screen on his death bed.

 

[SlapEcho]

Agree that "articulation" is a more emcompassing descriptor. "Incisiveness" is more a part of articulation.

I think we're all seeking a balanced state between the Bass foundation and higher frequencies. When the bass draws too much attention to itself it can smother and tilt the awareness away from the lighter textures and air. And when it's leaning too far the other way, the music loses the essential and unique fundamental dimensionality that only bass can provide.

I think, to date, I've only heard what seemed to be the perfect balance once, without ever falling out of balance, live from a lower balcony seat at Lincoln Center. 3 hours of orchestral and vocal sound that was as natural as, well, the sounds you hear in Nature!

There's absolutely a delicate balance between midrange/midbass bloat and correct body/density and I commend you for revisiting bass integration. This can be a long and arduous process, but once done right it can provide proper density to the lower midrange/midbass region, and with enough low bass extension, can expand the soundstage considerably.

I digress, at this point I'm just preaching to the choir.

 

[morricab]

Another obvious conclusion is how far all system videos - and in room sound - are from live music. You only need to hear the first second - the cymbals and drum rolls, to understand... That obviously does not prevent us from enjoying the composition and performance, but evaluating systems in terms of proximity to live sound is like asking someone to choose whether he would prefer eating only McDonalds or Burger King for the rest of his life Neither one of them is going to be a satisfying substitute for the many culinary delights we can experience.

The limitations of our systems are obvious on any type of music - you don't need a symphonic piece to understand them. Playing loud is not going to mask the issues...

Well you certainly won’t get it from videos! Videos give you a taste of what a system can do but that’s it.

 

[matthias]

@Daro
What is your tube streamer/NOS dac ?
Thank you

 

[Daro]

@Daro
What is your tube streamer/NOS dac ?
Thank you

Hi Matthias
secret
here is the description of the small box

Today's Fresh Catch: iPhone Adventure with the Improved U4 by Yazaki-san! - Jeff's Place

I hope you've had a chance to read through the latest article by Yazaki-san, A New & Exciting Audio Adventure from Yazaki-san: The iPhone Adventure!, where he describes the fun that he and friends have been having with their iPhone Adventure and the "Improved U4" Bluetooth/USB DAC. As I...

jeffsplace.positive-feedback.com

it is such a small toy that is not an audiophile sound but the ears tell how real it is
mine is a bit tuned -Audio Consulting silver cables,V-cap and AN capacitors,HDplex power supply and copper bluetooth antenna,WE396 tube but you can use e88cc through an adapter and adjust the sound for yourself, sometimes I add a WE transformer
I recommend

 

[Daro]

Yazaki in action

 

[Argonaut]

 

[tima]

And when it's leaning too far the other way, the music loses the essential and unique fundamental dimensionality that only bass can provide.

Bass and lows, say from 160Hz -- the E below middle-C and down, is key. Without it music lacks foundation. Lower bass, from ~80Hz and down is the ground, das grund, upon which, imo, music sits. And I agree, frequency balance is critical.

 

[wil]

Yazaki in action

Sounds good. Didn't catch what the recording is? Also, your front wall artwork needs straightening! Come on!

 

[matthias]

Yazaki in action

Sounds great
Is Airplay musically superior?

 

[Daro]

Sounds great
Is Airplay musically superior?

thanks, I don't think Airplay is more musical, I use ethernet and bluetooth for streaming with similar satisfaction, but I actually prefer when this "Yazaki" plays via bluetooth, the rest of my dacs and streamers play via ethernet cable