What's going on with the US stock market lately?

[jn229]

You fellows sound far more knowledgable then I am. My opinion; hang on to your day jobs. With the G8 countries printing money, large government debts, large consumer debts, and the shrinking middle class tax base, there is a bubble of some nature coming.

 

[Mosin]

You fellows sound far more knowledgable then I am. My opinion; hang on to your day jobs. With the G8 countries printing money, large government debts, large consumer debts, and the shrinking middle class tax base, there is a bubble of some nature coming.

That bubble could very well be the collapse of the Japanese economy. Cross your fingers that somehow that doesn't happen!

 

[mep]

That bubble could very well be the collapse of the Japanese economy. Cross your fingers that somehow that doesn't happen!

I thought that the Japanese economy is roaring back to life. I'm far more worried about the EU than I am Japan.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Well if the FED is going to raise rates and that will happen eventually , the US market and economy are going to tank i think .
In europe we didnt have a problem its purely created , the southern countries (or any country )cant devalue their currency anymore , so they are not competitive .
Germany is now boss again through shrude treaties and taking power from countries away via the EU in a nondemocratic way.
when people have no power of steering their future it will end in chaos , the EU is making slaves of eu members .
Holland didnt need the EU , and keep paying up for the rest will end up in bancrupty for us .
There is hardly any accountancy control over what brussel spends and they keep wanting more and more money , its corrupt all over

 

[Whatmore]

inflation is the thing that everyone seems to have forgotten about

 

[andromedaaudio]

Nice optionstrade (AEX)371 in and out at around 342 this week or next week , i cant remember where the biggest support is for the SPX for an upswing, well its new territory anyway high as it is

 

[andromedaaudio]

Yep , a textbook trade , 342 it was , 1600 spx is strong support
If the fed is going to raise rates at the sept meeting or stop buying bonds , were going down fast , sept okt are known for big market drops

 

[andromedaaudio]

i expect more "" fed upswing "" , would be cool if the spx would touch +- 1687 , ??? double top short entry , then a triple/lower top end of summer and from then on down .
just my 2 cents

 

[rrr]

Splat

 

[andromedaaudio]

And up again above 1600 , the market is searching for a new top , the recent decline send a message , much more to come i think , i dont think the market will break 1687 so a double or lower top

just my 2 cents

 

[mauidan]

European car sales recently hit a 20-year low, with German car sales plunging almost 10% for the most recent month.

The large German bank, Deutsche Bank, is reported to have less than 2% capital, so it’s levered almost 60 times (when Bear Stearns went under it was levered over 40times), exposing the bank and the country to significant risk. Germany’s main trading partners are experiencing either slowing or outright contractingeconomies.
Meanwhile,the German stock market is near all-time highs.

Spanish homeprices fell another 6% last year. Spanish unemployment is near 30%, with youth unemployment over 50%. Spanish loan default rates are skyrocketing.
Meanwhile,Spanish government bonds keep going up in price, down in yield.

In the U.S.,median wages are declining. Taxes are rising. Healthcare costs are increasing.Education costs are through the roof. Most of the new jobs created are low wageand part time. And the central bank must print hundreds of billions of dollars a year to boost people’s confidence (and the bank’s profits).
Meanwhile,U.S. equity markets are at all-time highs?

 

[andromedaaudio]

Almost 1687 S en P , short for the gamblers , some strange price action at the close , exhaustion top ??

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

Markets are up with no more Fed manipulation than what we've seen for a couple of decades. Housing is recovering throughout much of the nation, and in many cities the post-recession shortage of supply is driving the market a bit higher than it should be (good time to sell). Employment is the slowest to recover and will be at the end of every recession we'll ever see again until we find decent work for the working class and recovery for the middle. Even manufacturing is doing better, in spite of ourselves.

A Democrat is in the White House. It's the end of the world as we know it.

Are there bubbles? Hell, there are probably bubbles, great and small, hidden in every shadow of the world economy. We really can't expect anything else when we have an economic model predicated on perpetual growth; a business model under which building local economies, employing hundreds of people at good wages, building good products and serving good customers is considered a complete failure if we don't see greater ROI this quarter than you saw last. We think that won't create pumped-up, pimped-up, false growth? No, because we don't pay attention to weaknesses in the systemic fundamentals. We worship them.

Tim

 

[flez007]

Markets are up with no more Fed manipulation than what we've seen for a couple of decades. Housing is recovering throughout much of the nation, and in many cities the post-recession shortage of supply is driving the market a bit higher than it should be (good time to sell). Employment is the slowest to recover and will be at the end of every recession we'll ever see again until we find decent work for the working class and recovery for the middle. Even manufacturing is doing better, in spite of ourselves.

A Democrat is in the White House. It's the end of the world as we know it.

Are there bubbles? Hell, there are probably bubbles, great and small, hidden in every shadow of the world economy. You really can't expect anything else when you have an economic model predicated on perpetual growth; a business model under which building local economies, employing hundreds of people at good wages, building good products and serving good customers is considered a complete failure if you don't see greater ROI this quarter than you saw last. You think that won't create pumped-up, pimped-up, false growth? Stop reading the Journal long enough to pay attention to human nature.

Tim

Brilliant! Problem is to declare a viable alternative....

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

Brilliant! Problem is to declare a viable alternative....

Westerners don't seem to heal these things. Finding the flaws in our own creations doesn't fit well with our very high opinions of ourselves. Instead we tend to wait until the flaws have become so grievous they are on the verge of bringing us down, then we rewrite history to blame the system (or at least it's problems) on some "other," break it, and build a new one, just as flawed, just as doomed. We're usually good enough at it that they last 100 years or so. Long enough to forget and re-boot.

The solution, if we could go there? Sustainable economies in which the reward for, the objective of enterprise is building good jobs, good communities and healthy economies, a system in which the path to individual wealth is in creating broad societal wealth, not concentrated wealth for an "investment class." Practical capitalism with the human goals of ideological socialism. Jesus was right about the money-changers. When the best way to make money is by moving it around, not building things or serving people, some seriously evil **** is sitting just outside the door. That **** is in the house.

Tim

 

[andromedaaudio]

Key point in the market today 1685 (1687) .

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

Key point in the market today 1685 (1687) .

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Tim

 

[Andre Marc]

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Tim

Double ??

 

[ack]

I think he's been talking about the Amsterdam stock market - this is why I made the thread's subject so specific; but perhaps he's talking about the S&P index - not really clear

 

[Johnny Vinyl]

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Tim

Double ??

I think he's been talking about the Amsterdam stock market - this is why I made the thread's subject so specific; but perhaps he's talking about the S&P index - not really clear

The founding of Wall Street in 1685 ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street