Neodio B2 resonance device

[jma6]

JMA6, Unfortunately, I have to tell you that the system was far from a top set-up at your appointment. I was on site for the last three weeks and have fixed all the problems and in 4 weeks the customer's system will also be ready in the analog branch. The drive is running again and soon the passive switches will be installed. Just look around again and enjoy.

I will need to go again to listen to Philippe set up . thank's for the info !

 

[jma6]

I’m a little bit embarrassed having to admit that I’m liking the Origines B2. Why? Because they sound nice in my room.
I tried different positions and on the floor in front of the speakers is the most relevant to improve the effect. With other 2 pieces on each side, between the stereo amp and the speaker. Under the Puritan conditioner had less success than on top of it. Also on the front wall I like the results.

Call it psychoacoustic but I’m pretty sure the B2s are able to elevate the listening experience in a very pleasant and audible way but this time a different way too.

The emotional tension of a crescendo, the prolongation of the state of waiting (suspense) before the change of rhythm, the involvement in the most delicate passages that touch the chords of the emotions, the melancholy is more intense and the good peace of serenity envelops you in a visceral calm.

In short, the result is relevant to the sphere of sensations that greater contact with music can stimulate, amplify, ignite. I want to say that I’m becoming passionate about what I’m listening to not with my ears but with my soul.

These Origines convey the musical message in an excellent way, bringing emotions in bunches in a truly pleasant and engaging way.

In the meantime, not only have I decided to keep them but I will order 4 more because… I really like what I am perceiving with all my senses, not just hearing.

Let me add that I personally found more engagement from these B2s than from fuses and footers or Furutech tools lately. Life is strange, Italians even more, my friends!

Thank's for your writing .What you describe is exactly what I get from the B2's in my system I have now ten in my system .

My speakers are B&W 803D4 , therefore it is impossible to put any on the speaker . In front of the speaker there is oriental rug . I have tried around the speaker with little effect ( my floor is wooden floor ) .

The best spot for my system are under the speaker cable ( lessloss with cotton sleeve ) . On top of wooden furniture which are not far from the speakers , this is very efficient in this location . Three under the less loss filter and distribution box , very efficient there too and two under wooden grounding boxes .
On my dedicated stereo furniture (laminated wood ) I have not been convinced of the effect of the B2 .

I have to do some test on top of electronic equipment .

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

I got even better results placing some B2s on the front wall, they seem to enlighten portions of the soundstage.

Under the speaker cables is not an option in my case, unfortunately. They are 2 cables for each channel and very stiff.

Thanks to @sbnx advises, I tried other placements.

In respect the pic here below I added a very low rack in between the speakers, to place the DAC and PowerBase over the top shelf, and added 4 more B2s. But it’s enough to give you an idea, I hope.

 

[sbnx]

I got even better results placing some B2s on the front wall, they seem to enlighten portions of the soundstage.

Under the speaker cables is not an option in my case, unfortunately. They are 2 cables for each channel and very stiff.

Thanks to @sbnx advises, I tried other placements.

In respect the pic here below I added a very low rack in between the speakers, to place the DAC and PowerBase over the top shelf, and added 4 more B2s. But it’s enough to give you an idea, I hope.

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Luca, They way you have the B2's distributed looks very good. They interact with the room so if the room is symmetric I think the B2's need to be placed symmetrically. Placing them front to back and low to high the way you have them is very effective.

I get that I am a little OCD about this type of thing but I make certain that I measure and get the left and right B2 exactly the same distance from the center line. Also, They are sensitive to "micro" placement. Meaning if you move it 1/4" or 1/2" it can be the difference between good and wow.

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

Luca, They way you have the B2's distributed looks very good. They interact with the room so if the room is symmetric I think the B2's need to be placed symmetrically. Placing them front to back and low to high the way you have them is very effective.

I get that I am a little OCD about this type of thing but I make certain that I measure and get the left and right B2 exactly the same distance from the center line. Also, They are sensitive to "micro" placement. Meaning if you move it 1/4" or 1/2" it can be the difference between good and wow.

Oh don’t worry, I’m obsessed by symmetry too. I meticulously did my homework. Thank you again for your help, it was very useful.

 

[sbnx]

One more note on the B2's. They also work behind the listening position. You can try putting them on a shelf or diffuser panel etc behind you. It is an interesting effect. I personally don't like it but It is likely room dependent. I know one person who has them behind the listening position and likes what it does in his room.

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

One more note on the B2's. They also work behind the listening position. You can try putting them on a shelf or diffuser panel etc behind you. It is an interesting effect. I personally don't like it but It is likely room dependent. I know one person who has them behind the listening position and likes what it does in his room.

Thanks, yes I tried also behind and on both sides of the listening position. In my room the effect there is subtle. The funny thing is that you can experiment without limits, maybe in future I can find other options. It never ends.

 

[matakana]

Anymore feedback would be much appreciated, thank you.

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

After lot of experiments I’m pretty happy with my last set up. I got my sweet spot and live with it.

 

[Amir]

I had a few emails exchange with Stephane that I was allowed to share on the forum, he is a very nice guy and was so kind and patient with me. I’m glad to copy here below what he wrote to me because can be useful for other member to better understand his story and the professional effort in developing his product.
I asked him to elaborate how B2s works and this is his answer
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As I know you are posting on the WBF I will try to explain my work to the other members of the forum too. I know that I have customers that want to understand the B2. Sorry to be long here but it’s complicated to summarize more than 20 years of research.

I am in the HiFi business since 2002. In 2000 I left a comfortable job in the industry to follow my passion for HiFi. I am an electronic engineer specialized in analog circuits and sensor. I am not a digital guy and I am very curious of the vast number of physical things we still don’t understand. When I started what will become Neodio, I was thinking that the quality of sound was a question of measurable things and I designed an amplifier with a special focus on Electro Magnetic Compatibility and performances. At that time I thought the non-musical behavior of some amplifiers was the result of bad electronic designs.

So In 2000 I was designing my first commercial amplifier, the Neodio Model 100. I had already designed 2 prototypes since 1988 and I was confident in the path to follow. After all I had already designed more complicated things such as integrated circuits for sensors. This development became much more tricky than I had thought not because of the electrical behavior of the amp but because of the non-correlation between the quality of the circuit and the quality of sound that I perceived. “Little” problems appeared that had no explanations. An example? When I mounted the toroidal transformer with the washers, the bolt and the screw, the sound quality dropped by let’s say 20% or more.

Another example : after some modifications, I was able to reach a fantastic quality and thought the job was done. The day after, this fantastic sound had vanished! I began to understand there was something that was evolving and changing over time and that the quality stability was a major challenge. In 2001 I had the pleasure to meet a researcher at the national french electricity company (EDF). Strangely, he was working on this subject. His name is Pierre Johannet. He explained me that what I was living was normal and most audio designers had to deal with such problems. He had a very interesting theory called MDI for “micro décharges d’interface”. This meeting changed my vision of the problem. He designed his own solutions that led to cable prototypes and the” ionostat” but those devices were very difficult to manufacture and impossible for me to understand. Pierre Johannet was a pioneer but I had the feeling he was losing himself in a too complicated theory with too many hidden zones. Another person to quote here is Peter Belt in the UK that is probably the first to have understood that there were strange things in our hobby. This gentleman’s work was based on Ruppert Sheldrake theories such as the morphogenetic fields. Very interesting but too far from my engineer approach. I still believe in science and measurements but my point of view now is larger than it used to be. Those people have open doors on the complexity of nature, even in a “low tech” area such as music reproduction…

So I started to do experiments by myself to understand the nature of this phenomenon. I took me 15 years, after thousands of experiments on accessories, cables, electronic components to figure out was it certainly was. This permanent research led to what I call the HIFI ANOMALY. Some examples :

1. Cables, including power cables have a huge impact on sound. They should not make any difference if we look at the electricity rules. Explanations given by the majority of manufacturers are poetry at the best.
2. There is very little correlation between what we hear and what we measure, except for speakers where the correlation exists but is not sufficient to explain everything.
3. The quality of sound is not constant over time. It is different in the morning and the evening. It is different from day to day. There are good days and bad days.
4. All components of our so loved chains seem to have an impact on the quality of sound. That includes electronic components in speakers, amplifiers, digital sources, the cables, the racks, the furniture…

I asked myself for many years what was the link between all these observations. The life of an audio designer like me is full of baffling moments where we doubt of knowing anything about sound reproduction. But there are also moments when we understand something that open doors and for me that was in 2015. One day I understood that the only link between all the observations made was the air itself. Music reproduction is just moving air in a very specific way. All components of my room, including me are in the air, no? Is air a so simple medium? What does it contain? What if the cables of my system had an interaction with the air itself, but not in a classical acoustic way? That led to another phase of intensive research for me that brought me close to nervous breakdown. I understood that the water molecule certainly was the culprit. At one moment I had spent a lot of time and energy and had no solution in hand. So I decided to improve my already existing B1 with my new approach. I had learned a few things about the way water molecules interact with themselves. They have a tendency to glue to each other (hydrogen bonds) and so there is no single water molecule in our environment. There are everywhere : in the air, in our bodies, in hygroscopic materials such as wood, natural fibers and on non-hygroscopic materials such as metals, glass, ceramics. In this case, water molecules are adsorbed (adsorbed not absorbed) on surfaces. They are all linked and they interact with the sound. Among all those molecules, some are on the diaphragms of our speaker drivers. What if they are moving, like a noise that does not create acoustic pressure? What could be the result of a shaken layer of molecules on the diaphragm if this this diaphragm is supposed to give motion to the surrounding air? Think of billiards, football, tennis. If you hit something with a ball and with an effect you can have strange trajectories. Maybe the problem is that we have eluded the fact that the movement of the speaker membrane does not imply that the movement of air will be the same. And what about the cables and the rest of the system? If all water molecules are linked, it means that what happens on every object can have an impact on this ”noiseless noise” on membranes.

The B2 acts as a damper that reduces the vibrations of the water molecules in its environment. There are water molecules inside it that are protected from sound and electro-magnetic fields (I forgot to tell you that water molecules are polar, they orient themselves in an electric field). By applying B2’s at different places you can have improvements in the sound quality because they act on what I call now the “water molecular field” (WMF? Let’s try this acronym - we will see if it works).

Just to finish now, maybe one day, all serious music reproduction systems will be so good that audiophiles will be completely satisfied with their stuff. Music deserves all our efforts!

Best regards,

Stéphane Even

Thank you for sharing

 

[sbnx]

Anymore feedback would be much appreciated, thank you.

Are you looking for more people to post their opinion of the B2? I think what has been posted covers what you should expect from them as well as ideas on how to deploy them. There is no substitute for getting a set and placing them in your room.

 

[matakana]

Are you looking for more people to post their opinion of the B2? I think what has been posted covers what you should expect from them as well as ideas on how to deploy them. There is no substitute for getting a set and placing them in your room.

Are you looking for more people to post their opinion of the B2? I think what has been posted covers what you should expect from them as well as ideas on how to deploy them. There is no substitute for getting a set and placing them in your room.

It is really to hear of any new freshness out there, you are so right sbnx, I do need to hear what’s going on! And once my daughters graduation expense is sorted, I may seek out, thank you.

 

[djsina2]

I and a friend tried them, didn’t really do anything for us.

 

[facten]

I and a friend tried them, didn’t really do anything for us

Every system is different , that said how did you test them in both systems - under components, on top of components, positioned at different locations in the room?

 

[sbnx]

I and a friend tried them, didn’t really do anything for us.

I am happy you tried them. Sorry they didn’t work in your system.

 

[djsina2]

Every system is different , that said how did you test them in both systems - under components, on top of components, positioned at different locations in the room?

On top, not under. Throughout the room and on cables also.

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

On top, not under. Throughout the room and on cables also.

Sorry to hear that. Too many variables to consider but if they don’t work in your room, they don’t work.

 

[facten]

On top, not under. Throughout the room and on cables also

Like you I didn't find the impact that others have with them on top of equipment and speakers, or elsewhere in the room, but I did get the SQ benefit I was after with placing sets of 3 under each of 3 integrated amps, and a set of 3 under the tube DAC in my 2nd system.

 

[Amir]

Hello, I thought I would share my experience with the neodio B2. I have not seen any real discussion on it with the exception that someone listed it in their top 5 favorite tweaks. I thought it needed its own thread.

There have been two reviews of the device with 180 degrees difference of opinion. The positive review was by Roy Gregory over on his website GY8.eu. The negative review was by 6moons. If you google these you will find them.

What is this thing? Well it looks like a stainless steel puck with one side having a protursion. It is this protrusion that you want up against whatever it is you are wanting to effect. In a traditional sense it could be used a a footer by placing 3 or 4 of them under a piece of gear with the protruding side up against the bottom of the box. It is really not much to look at and one migh assume it will just be like putting whatever you have up against a stainless steel puck. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I recall reaing Roy G's review when he released it some time ago. It was intriguing but I was skeptical at the real impact this could have. Roy tends to use a lot of words and is enthusiastic about stuff. So at the time is was hard for me to gauge what this thing was really capapble of. Was this just another reviewer going on and on about his latest love affair about some widget?

Fast forward to a few weeks ago. A friend of mine texted me a couple pictures of the B2 sitting on top of his speaker and one on a shelf in the corner. The shelf in the corner does not have audio gear on it. Just a piece of pottery. He said I just had to hear these things to believe it. I fully trust his ears. So...

I Googled Neodio webpage looking for a US dealer and found out that Sunny Components in CA carries Neodio. I ordered 4 to see what's what. (They are about $275 ea.) A few days later my box arrived. I took the to my room and started playing around.

WOW! I started by placing one on the bottom cross bar of my Tios. Then I put one on the top of the iTRON amp housing. Then I put one on the floor under the cable as it leads up to the speaker. Then I played with putting one on top of my clock, DAC, floor, grounding box and many other locations. I did not actually put it under any gear like a footer. The effect is cumulative. As I put each one out and left it there and then placed the next one the effect was magnified. The effect was also pretty much the same regardless of position.

What is the effect? A sense of ease and flow to the music. A sense of soundstage envelopment. A sense of much better organization to the music. I could go on and on but you should just read Roy's review as what he said it right on. I know all of those words sound "squishy" and not very tangible. And at first I didn't believe it either. So I would put the B2's out and listen and then pick them up and listen and back and forth and each time it was the same story. B2's in the system equal very good! I am going to get more of them to put out. The effect is very addictive.

Continued...This past weekend I went to Houston to help a friend setup his new pair of Rockport speakers. I took some tweaks along with me for him to hear in his system and one of those of the set of 4 B2's. We started with his old speakers as he was very familiar with that sound. I put one on the top of each speaker and he was impressed. Put one on his streamer and he really like that. Then I saw the spot. He has a short throw projector sitting on the floor between his speakers. I put one on top of that and the effect was HUGE. All of the same stuff that I experience in my system happened in his. We did the same testing with the Rockports when they were setup and again the same thing.

I would encourage anyone to give Sunil a call and get 4 of the neodio B2's to try. I would venture to guess you won't send them back.

I have B2 , those are perfect


Neodio is a good company