Where do you fall?

Gregadd

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The Three Listeners

Listener One let’s call him Dr. Detail, likes razor sharp transients. He selects components based on bandwidth and accuracy. Dr. Detail is a “fidelity to the master tape” type gu y music. He wants his recorded music to sound precisely as realistic or unrealistic as the recording dictates and as modern engineering allows. He will listen to the same recording over and over, as he fine tunes his system to hear each each consonant and vowel of Shirley Horn’s’ phrasing. You may find Avalon or Kharma speakers in his contemporary loft. He loves to use the word “speed” or “fast” to describe his system.

Listener Two, We’ll call him Mr. Absolute, is more the “replicate reality” type . He wants his reproduced music to sound as much like the real thing as possible, regardless of the quality of the source. He’ll adjust is system to mimic or copy the sound he hears at his local concert venues. You’ll find MBLs or Magneplanars in his dedicated listening room. His favorite audio term is soundstage.

Listener Three, let’s call her Ms. Romance, loves the beauty of the music itself. She wants her system to make her feel good and to connect her to the soul of music-no matter how far it may err from actual or recorded reality. You’ll find vintage gear, tube amps, and Harbeths in her home. Her favorite buzz word is PRaT(pace rhythm and tempo).

WHEN THE THREE OF THEM GET TOGETHER ALL THEY DO IS ARGUE.
[Emphasis supplied]

Dr. Detail inevitably pounds his fist on the table and says: ”How can you two consider yourself critical listeners if you don’t hear all the detail within the recording?” NO MATTER HOW HARD HE ARGUES HE CAN’T WIN THE OTHER TWO OVER. [Emphasis supplied]. How do you attack someone’s taste or choice in any human endeavor. Mr. Absolute and Ms. Romance breathe a sigh of relief when he finally leaves. They plunk down together on the couch and play some Brahms. Partway through the first movement Mr. Absolute stands up and says: “This isn’t right. I know this recording; the performance is wonderful but the sound is awful. I never heard a multimiked Columbia sound this beautiful.” Ms. Romance says with pride, “Isn’t it great! It took me years to get the system to sound so gorgeous. Do you have a problem with that? Are you a music lover or one of those simple minded equipment people? Don’t you understand intervals, harmonics, tempo rebuto, or modes?” After a while Mr. Absolute has heard enough of this anti-audio whining and offers up a litany of the wrongs Ms. Romance is committing, like flabby bass, rolled off top end, lack of dynamics, to name just a few. Ms Romance grimaces and points a finger at him saying , “You’re an equipment ninny, you’re not a music lover.”


the absolute sound Review of The Coincident Pure Reference Extreme Peter Brueninger p.118 01/2011 issue 209
 
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I am Dr. Detail, always been (and I did own Magnepan MG IIIa's which I loved).
 
I forgot to put on my skirt this morning, so I stand before you nekkid and proud!

I have no issue with Mr. Detail and Mr. Absolute, and respect their opinions/viewpoints. Hell, I've even learned from them. For me though, it's all about the music first and always will be.

John
 
Although I found the description of the stereotype of the three type of listeners interesting, the matching with the type of speakers seems dubious. Avalon associated with hyper detail? Or Harbeths with PRAT?

BTW, I am curious about the Coincidents - the review seems too good to be true!
 
I am 50% Absolute but 50% Romance! Maybe I hear with all my brain and not just left or right sided! :)
 
If only life were that simple. Reminds me of the scene from Annie Hall; a recap:

In Annie Hall Woody Allen surrogate Alvy Singer meets his first
wife while he is waiting to take the stage for a comedy routine.
Responding to a question from Alvy, Allison Portchnik tells him that
she is doing a Ph.D. on political commitment in twentieth-century
literature. The following exchange occurs:

Alvy: Y-y-you like New York Left-Wing Liberal Intellectual
Central Park West Brandeis University . . . uh, the
Socialist Summer Camps and the . . . the father with
Ben Shahn drawings, right? And you really, you
know, strike-oriented kind of -- uh, stop me before I
make a complete imbecile of myself.

Allison: No, that was wonderful. I love being reduced to a
cultural stereotype. ( Allen, 1982, p. 20)

Attempts to categorize audiophiles into one category or another has about the same relevance. Take for instance also, trying to classify people's body types into three categories: ectomorphic, endomorphic or mesomorphic. No person, unfortunately falls into one category exclusively and neither do audiophiles. It seems to be creating an argument just for the sake of argument :(
 
Myles-..It seems to be creating an argument just for the sake of argument


Exactly! But should we take ourselves so seriously?
 
Myles-..It seems to be creating an argument just for the sake of argument


Exactly! But should we take ourselves so seriously?

No but why shouldn't it be like everything else in our country nowadays: deeply divided with no tolerance or respect for the opposition. It's called pxxs on the opposition's parade :) One has to be right. Or like the days of yore: God is on our side.
 
Somone has to win. "To the victor goes the spoils.":p
 
Somone has to win. "To the victor goes the spoils.":p

At least in their minds. The mind boggles when 51% is a mandate :( What the hell would 65% mean? Uh, don't tell me :)
 
Tonight I fall from my barstool. I land beneath it, more or less. The exact spot will be unknown until the trajectory has been carefully examined in a deaf watching test.

Tim
 
I used to be #1, don't think #2 is possible in reality, have gravitated toward #3 because I do actually like to enjoy my listening.

Studio engineers have been known to mix with raspy speakers with ugly peaks at 2Khz or so, rolled off bass etc. so that if it sounds OK that way, then it will be "equalized" by typical home or car installations to sound good everywhere, so don't know if I would ever want "studio sound". The "absolute" has to believe he has some way of re-incarnating the original performance in his mind, since he has no basis of comparison except memory of similar instruments in different surroundings.

I have always regarded #2 types as kind of delusional and just trying to substitute their taste for mine hoping I am suggestible enough to buy it. A certain audio publication comes to mind.

Don't know if the ascribing #3 to some kind of effeminate tendency is an effort to be politically correct or just slurring males of the species who don't believe that listening should be an act endurance or masochism, but I certainly have spent a lot of time and trouble to get a certain kind of sound. I would just call this tuning for personal taste, and have yet to wear female attire to do so, but my life isn't over yet.
 
Tonight I fall from my barstool. I land beneath it, more or less. The exact spot will be unknown until the trajectory has been carefully examined in a deaf watching test.

Tim

Hahahahahahahaha! Best joke of the New Year!!!!!

Seeing as how members of all three camps and any sub-categories thereof love to make the "The best tweak is a bottle of ________." I am inclined to believe that any of us can be one or any of any of the others at any given point in time.
 
I'm a split personality of all three and sometimes a combination of any of the three. For me, my system combination is my chance to play conductor and color the sound to whatever pleases my mood at the moment.
 
And what colors do these recent moments bring these days my friend? Nudge, nudge, I'm angling for an invitation ;)
 
Gregadd,
First, thank you for the welcome and the comment regarding resistors. Now, just what do I need to purchase to be able to add "resistance" in varying amounts as dictated by the cartridge I may be using? I do not currently own a preamp and am testing all my carts as I mount them using a borrowed phono receiver. Therefore I do not wish to go into the amp and solder things. I just set up my TT for my Sonus carts and am comparing them with my Empire 1000ZE/X and 4000DIII. I have a tough time discerning differences if the truth were to be told. Am using Montovani theaterland album, Antal Dorati's 1958 Mercury recording of the 1812 Overture, Rossini's Semiramide Overture and Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite to try and detect differences between the various carts. My base carts are Grace F9E and AT 20SLA.
I do not know which listener I am but I do enjoy the music, have an old Scott Tube integrated amp and am collecting quite a few vintage carts.

Sincerely,
Ron
Do you know if there is any source for finding the specifications for the Sonus Dimension 5? I have searched Vinylengine without any luck except that it does have specs for the Gold Blue cartridge. Mine are both new and they sound very similar.
Thanks,
Ron
 
I will try to answer your questions.I usually forward all my serious phono questions to RAUL who is a member of this forum.
 

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