Will power amps make an audible difference?

What Keith said. Jacob, this rabbit hole is deep, and the Alice in here definitely took the pill that makes her think she's larger than life. Your friends think your system will sound better with a separate amp. Test that theory in practice, in your system, in your room. And take most of what you read around here with a grain of salt. You're talking about upgrading an Onkyo AV receiver, and you're talking to guys with five and six figure systems. I'm not saying their systems don't sound good, I'm sure some of them are great, but they're in another league, and in that league it has as much to do with luxury status as it does with actual performance. Test this out for yourself.

Tim

Tim

Also think that test before you buy is the go... Listen to it and also check up on the technical performance via spec and any measurement as well, surf the web for general comments on issues and qualities with perceived and measured performance and also reliability and do the due diligence whether it's a $500 or a $50k bit of gear.

Listen first and listen last and then do the rest as well.

Tim agreed that some systems are in different leagues to others but in terms of what measure?

In terms of technical performance can be different to proof of performance in terms of medium to long term user happiness. Some systems are in different leagues in terms of spend. But all these can clearly be not necessarily directly proportionate or even connected.

I've heard a $500k system that made me unhappy and kind of sonically beaten up, and some $20k setups that made me much happier to spend time listening with them.

While there are plenty of drivers out there for what we buy I don't think that status is as strong as sound quality for many of us. Status won't keep you happy forever, especially when it changes as quickly as it does... it's way more of a quick burner than a slow one.

I have some good gear and also quite modest components in my setup that likely have little or no bragging rights in terms of status or spend but deliver big in my experience of music when I turn the gear on and so have high value for me. What others think isn't really a priority. When it comes to the perceptions of others I do like it however when I play music for friends and they love the music as well. Sure some of us get off on the show but for some it's not the thing or the bling just the way it sings and it swings. That's lasting happiness and the best proof or performance in terms of real purpose.
 
Tim agreed that some systems are in different leagues to others but in terms of what measure?

There are different leagues of everything - price, status, pleasing sound, accurate sound. And there are plenty of guys here who are in a completely different league from an Onkyo AV receiver on all counts. And I like Onkyo receivers just fine.

Tim
 
Another thing to take into consideration is that lower priced, in comparison, gear has lots of weaknesses inbuilt - which "higher" league components will avoid. As an example, I'm using a NAD 304 integrated amp at the moment, which in raw form was quite reasonable in some areas, but overall had that typical "cheap", grungy sound one gets at that price ... okaaay, lets have a look - lots of really cheap and nasty switches, one after the other, all along the main signal path to allow all those "gotta have it!" functions on the front panel. Next step, rip all these out, bypass them, every last one of them - major step forward, starting to sound significantly more musical now ... and so the process continues.

Point being, many of these bells and whistles units are severely knee capped by having everything in them that one can think of. Some solutions: get a "high end" unit which has dispensed with all the nonsense, or DIY the simplifying of the internal circuitry to match how more ambitious units are made.
 
Another thing to take into consideration is that lower priced, in comparison, gear has lots of weaknesses inbuilt - which "higher" league components will avoid. .....

That's quite an assumption or leap of faith.

Just sayin' ....
 

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