World Debut: Vertere Reference Tonearm

[mep]

Seriously?

I thought I was lazy ... but ...

tb1

I give up. Obviously you don't want people to see your profile here. I have no idea what your user name is on AA and I don't belong to that forum and I don't care enough to go on a fishing expedition to find information you could easily provide. I simply don't care that much-trust me.

 

[TBone]

I give up. Obviously you don't want people to see your profile here. I have no idea what your user name is on AA and I don't belong to that forum and I don't care enough to go on a fishing expedition to find information you could easily provide. I simply don't care that much-trust me.

Don't be silly, why would I hide my system from you?

Hey, you asked, I responded accordingly ... and really, I mean REALLY; ... why would I send you to another forum in which my moniker wasn't ... wait for it ... TBone?

SOL ("sighing out loud", in case you think I'm talking in code)
tb1

 

[NorthStar]

So TBone, what table and arm do you have? If you feel proud enough to tell us how good it is it would be helpful if you would list your gear under your profile.

---- Is that a requisite Mark to be a member here at WBF?

* Methinks that a truly proud people is one who is accomplished in the mastering art of living in harmony with all its surroundings. :b

I give up. Obviously you don't want people to see your profile here. I have no idea what your user name is on AA and I don't belong to that forum and I don't care enough to go on a fishing expedition to find information you could easily provide. I simply don't care that much-trust me.

---- Here ya go! :b

 

[PeterA]

Wood seems to be "in" with tone-arm manufacturers these days, and probably for good reason. I truly enjoyed reading the Reed site in which it compares different woods with sonic evaluations I've used light & rigid wood and alternative metal armboards on my particular turntable, and I must admit that I preferred the wood.

However, although I appreciated my light wood armboard, it didn't nearly make the same kind of sonic difference as changing over to a higher quality DC motor, or isolating noise caused by the motor (they all make noise) and/or the bearing. My turntable has been refined to be DEAD quiet (I mean stethoscope-dead-quiet; audiophiles might just be surprised (or shocked) how many expensive turntables today don't pass the steth test), or tweaking the suspension so that it not only acts like a filter for the motor, but also has a controlled bounce which limits lateral movements (which f's up timing) ... or which rack or mount dissipates mechanical energy best on which the 'table sits ... the list goes on ... I can think of a bevy of other items & issues surrounding turntables & arms that make FAR more of a sonic difference than the simple introduction of wood ... but hey, I'm only basing this on my very own experiences.

That said, it's interesting to note that my particular turntable uses a rigid and light kiln dried mahogany for the plinth ... certainly not your typical oil platform metal monstrosity that's so in vogue these days ... and even more interesting, unlike most metal monstrosities, instead of aluminum, my 'table incorporates extremely hard high carbon steel throughout, and a relatively heavy brass sub/platter.

Look, I don't give a rats behind if the arm is worth $35k, but I certainly understand, without reservation, that if you're going to spend $35K for this arm, you better mount it on a very high quality and very quiet turntable, or it won't sound like $35k arm to my ears. But then again, one can say the exact same thing about all quality tonearms.

tb1

TBone, Looks like you didn't really need to ask my "why". You clearly have your own ideas about materials and turntable design. BTW, I own one of those "oil-platform metal monstrosities", an SME 30/12. It is heavy and deals quite well with energy and vibration. I don't know however if it would pass a stethoscope test. What kind of arm and table do you listen to?

 

[TBone]

TBone, Looks like you didn't really need to ask my "why". You clearly have your own ideas about materials and turntable design. BTW, I own one of those "oil-platform metal monstrosities", an SME 30/12. It is heavy and deals quite well with energy and vibration. I don't know however if it would pass a stethoscope test. What kind of arm and table do you listen to?

I asked "why" in order to understand your point of view.

Actually, I've never considered the 30 a "metal monstrosity"; interestingly enough, the 20 I once demo'd passed the steth test.

In a nutshell ... my current table is very much an unknown Scottish relic from the past, and I've further bastardized it with many modifications, so it's not considered an original model by any means. Few know of it, few care, but a similar model was once used as a reference turntable by UHF magazine. I use an Alphason HR100S arm (which UHF still use in their own reference system), modified specifically so that its mono-crystal silver wires run one single piece towards a high quality RCA plug, in which I can run any interconnect (I run Cardas) to a modified Classe DR6. The table sits on a Neuance shelf (Ken Lyon) on a target wall mounted rack.

tb1

 

[Bruce B]

I give up. Obviously you don't want people to see your profile here. I have no idea what your user name is on AA and I don't belong to that forum and I don't care enough to go on a fishing expedition to find information you could easily provide. I simply don't care that much-trust me.

TBone...

 

[NorthStar]

-- I used to be a subscriber (UHF - Ultra High Fidelity Magazine),
but only peek on occasions now and then.

 

[TBone]

-- I used to be a subscriber (UHF - Ultra High Fidelity Magazine),
but only peek on occasions now and then.

Me too, no longer a subscriber. I've actually purchased 2 of their old reference turntables, but I don't use em. Very nice people, and very knowledgeable audiophiles, I owe them much, if it wasn't for Gerald and his personal advice, my system wouldn't be what it is today.

tb1

 

[TBone]

TBone...

I should update it, or at least fix the spelling errors, but I'm lazy ...

tb1

 

[mep]

TBone...

Thanks Bruce. That was very helpful.

 

[mep]

I should update it, or at least fix the spelling errors, but I'm lazy ...

tb1

A recurring theme so it seems-twice in this thread alone you have said that about yourself.

 

[microstrip]

BTW, I own one of those "oil-platform metal monstrosities", an SME 30/12. It is heavy and deals quite well with energy and vibration. I don't know however if it would pass a stethoscope test. What kind of arm and table do you listen to?

Sorry to say but the stethoscope test generically applied to turntables is a good joke unless you apply it to the vinyl disk and the stylus. Many people managed to destroy good turntables just blindly killing all vibrations in a turntable, forgetting that most of the time they are simple reflecting this energy to parts of the turntable where it will really affect its performance. Do you remember when IAR found that the Oracle was 634 times better than the Linn Sondek?

 

[NorthStar]

TBone...

---- Here ya go Mark! :b

Me too, no longer a subscriber. I've actually purchased 2 of their old reference turntables, but I don't use em. Very nice people, and very knowledgeable audiophiles, I owe them much, if it wasn't for Gerald and his personal advice, my system wouldn't be what it is today.

tb1

---- Yes, class act people; very peaceful, very honest, ...
Many music selections of mine I owe to them.

And there were (are) some great articles once in a while, with useful info.

 

[MylesBAstor]

In an endeavor in which some people claim that moving the cables change the sound of a system. a comparison between two arms with two different cartridges can not be construed as a valid.

Thank you Frantz, I said that twice already.

 

[MylesBAstor]

Meaning one arm to the other Myles?

Meaning Arm A with cartridge A vs Arm B with cartridge B. That's all. All we're doing is talking combos.

 

[garylkoh]

Meaning Arm A with cartridge A vs Arm B with cartridge B. That's all. All we're doing is talking combos.

Although it's the same turntable, it's on two different platforms.

 

[XV-1]

I give up. Obviously you don't want people to see your profile here. I have no idea what your user name is on AA and I don't belong to that forum and I don't care enough to go on a fishing expedition to find information you could easily provide. I simply don't care that much-trust me.

Some people clearly need a seeing eye dog. TBone was quite clear where to find his system. To spell it out

Audio Asylum. Name TBone. Under inmates system is, well TBone's system. See link

http://cgi.audioasylum.com/systems/843.html

 

[microstrip]

Some people clearly need a seeing eye dog. TBone was quite clear where to find his system. To spell it out

Audio Asylum. Name TBone. Under inmates system is, well TBone's system. See link

http://cgi.audioasylum.com/systems/843.html

Please read post #186 before queuing to buy one ...

 

[XV-1]

Please read post #186 before queuing to buy one ...

Ha ha . Missed that thru all the moaning.
I have a labrador too.

 

[A.wayne]

Some people clearly need a seeing eye dog. TBone was quite clear where to find his system. To spell it out

Audio Asylum. Name TBone. Under inmates system is, well TBone's system. See link

http://cgi.audioasylum.com/systems/843.html

Audio asylum ! I thought he meant alcoholic anonymous when he said AA .....

What model Connoisseur ..?