Yet another groundbox, but this Setchi is quite special
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I'm not familiar with the Setchi boxes but I have some passive blocks from a small UK outfit and have a similar sized passive block on my mains cable immediately next to the fuse box plus four smaller lower down and they are certainly effective sited there.
Good one Mike! Made me smile. Make no mistake. The Eagle likes to eat! But he's just as happy swooping down on morsels from Burger King as opposed to The French Laundry at 25x the price, if it provides the same degree of satiety. But does it? That's the question I want to explore!
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Thank you for your feedback. Can you provide us with some detail on how you have connected them? Did you try one on your herzan TS-140?
I have been on the road on the US East Coast and have had the opportunity to try various Setchi’s in three very different systems
My takeaways are this
- in systems which have bright room acoustics, the “1” s with their copper sonic signature work very nicely
- in systems which are well tamed and analog, the “2” s can bring a nice sparkle and energy
- lying flat, the sonic presentation has more precision
- standing vertical there is an increase in harmonic richness with its attendant benefits for some types of listeners, me included
- the sonic effect of the Setchi is quite sensitive where it is placed on the case. The Setchi’s want to be in a location where they can pick up a good amount of vibration. So far testing indicates stronger effect when placed towards the top cover center, and less effect when placed on a edge.
My takeaways are this
- in systems which have bright room acoustics, the “1” s with their copper sonic signature work very nicely
- in systems which are well tamed and analog, the “2” s can bring a nice sparkle and energy
- lying flat, the sonic presentation has more precision
- standing vertical there is an increase in harmonic richness with its attendant benefits for some types of listeners, me included
- the sonic effect of the Setchi is quite sensitive where it is placed on the case. The Setchi’s want to be in a location where they can pick up a good amount of vibration. So far testing indicates stronger effect when placed towards the top cover center, and less effect when placed on a edge.
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In that case u need to supply with longer leads...I can't see how u can get anywhere near the top cover center with the approx 6" leads provided. Maybe my D2's were sent with the wrong lengths?
I can barely get to the top edge of the Vivaldi pieces....
The default length is 10”. Longer lengths are available on request. This is the best performing length however, especially for digital versions. I would pick placement nearer to the side over longer wire lengths. For analogue versions the wirelength is less critical.
Hello, 1st post here...
Do you feel a D1 or D2 box would improve streaming if positioned on a router (or an ethernet Dac) ? I’d like to try one, but don’t really know where it would be the most effective...and if I choose with an usb or Lan output, I won’t be able to try it on my analog preamp...
Do you feel a D1 or D2 box would improve streaming if positioned on a router (or an ethernet Dac) ? I’d like to try one, but don’t really know where it would be the most effective...and if I choose with an usb or Lan output, I won’t be able to try it on my analog preamp...
Hello Yucca,
Welcome on WBF. Yes they work on a router, however the effect is not as large as on say a streamer or dac. This is caused by ethernet being “galvanically isolated”. There’s still a ground connection through the ethernet transformer centertap through a resistor/capacitor network but this wont be nearly as effective as connecting to an usb or other digital ground.
Yes that would be a better choice! The D2 will do a better job at enhancing microdetail, texture, clarity, air, soundstage depth and width. The D1 is a better pick if your system is on the bright side right now, it does a good job at reducing digital glare, increase midrange body and increase bass heft. If your system is neutrally voiced the D2 will be more impressive.
Lampi GG with D-2 and A-2
We have a report just in from a Lampi GG owner using the Emission labs special 45's (mesh)
We have a report just in from a Lampi GG owner using the Emission labs special 45's (mesh)
Only if your component has separated ground planes. Most dacs do have separated ground planes for digital and analogue so you could connect one to a digital connector and one to an analogue, this is almost always worthwhile. Sometimes components have separated analogue grounds for the left and right channels in which case you can connect one to the left and another to the right channel.
France? It should be with you this Wednesday, looking forward to your experiences. It does work on an hub / switch, however the effect is more subtle in that position. It will mainly remove some sibilance/edge/strain so reduce "digititis" there. It will not do much to enhance your soundstage stage nor greatly improve clarity/transparency/detail/texture as it would do connected to a component directly in your system.
Can you tell us what is the price of the Waversa hub? Do you know if they have distributors in Europe?
It’s quite expensive, but it’s worth every cent for me (and can replace 3 separate boxes : filter, clock, LPSU)...public price is 1490€ (VAT included). You can find it from a French retailer, Magic Mastering. My system is noticeably better with it, my friends were also really impressed...
I use it only for ethernet, but it’s also a very good usb filter/reclocker.
The price was *»only*» at $900 from the American distributor a few weeks also, but it has also risen considerably, don’t know why. Maybe it was an introductory price before, as it was totally unknown in Europe/USA...
@taiko audio : I’ll tell here what I feel about your product. Hope it will be a good surprise
I use it only for ethernet, but it’s also a very good usb filter/reclocker.
The price was *»only*» at $900 from the American distributor a few weeks also, but it has also risen considerably, don’t know why. Maybe it was an introductory price before, as it was totally unknown in Europe/USA...
@taiko audio : I’ll tell here what I feel about your product. Hope it will be a good surprise
I have scanned this thread twice and I am not finding any description of how the Setchi grounding box works. Please forgive me if I missed it somehow.
Of what is it composed? (What is in the box?)
What is the theory behind its operation? (How does it work?)
I saw a statement that the DC battery provides a bias, but what component is being biased?
Does its efficacy depend on the electrical grounding infrastructure currently in place, or that infrastructure's measured resistance to earth ground?
Thank you.
PS: I wish Taiko were not so far outside of Holland. I would like to visit you!
Of what is it composed? (What is in the box?)
What is the theory behind its operation? (How does it work?)
I saw a statement that the DC battery provides a bias, but what component is being biased?
Does its efficacy depend on the electrical grounding infrastructure currently in place, or that infrastructure's measured resistance to earth ground?
Thank you.
PS: I wish Taiko were not so far outside of Holland. I would like to visit you!
Hi Ron,
Thank you for your interest, you can find a general description on our website. A direct link: http://taikoaudio.com/products/taiko-audio-setchi/
There is a PCB inside with an electronic circuit.
It has 3 modes of action. Primarily it is a vibration energy converter. Secondary it provides a path for RFI waves to dissipate and it has an effect on static charge build up.
It's power source for the primary effect is vibrations. Vibrations cause it to generate an AC voltage. We need this AC voltage to be above ground potential and we use a battery for that purpose.
The simple short answer would be no, however we've discovered there is a bigger picture here in the form of EM fields which react to any changes in your grounding infrastructure, these EM fields are already impacted by simply moving a power cord or ground lead. Then we have RFI which basically travels your entire grounding system. It does all interact.
We are currently building a new 120 m2 / 1300 sq ft demo room and are exploring the purchase of an advanced 3D EM field mapping system. Maybe it will be interesting enough to make the trip somewhere in the future
Hi Ron,
Thank you for your interest, you can find a general description on our website. A direct link: http://taikoaudio.com/products/taiko-audio-setchi/
There is a PCB inside with an electronic circuit.
It has 3 modes of action. Primarily it is a vibration energy converter. Secondary it provides a path for RFI waves to dissipate and it has an effect on static charge build up.
It's power source for the primary effect is vibrations. Vibrations cause it to generate an AC voltage. We need this AC voltage to be above ground potential and we use a battery for that purpose.
The simple short answer would be no, however we've discovered there is a bigger picture here in the form of EM fields which react to any changes in your grounding infrastructure, these EM fields are already impacted by simply moving a power cord or ground lead. Then we have RFI which basically travels your entire grounding system. It does all interact.
We are currently building a new 120 m2 / 1300 sq ft demo room and are exploring the purchase of an advanced 3D EM field mapping system. Maybe it will be interesting enough to make the trip somewhere in the future
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