As I've said for years I still think about pursuing my "alternative fantasy amp" of a PSET or a big SET. I announced a couple of weeks ago that I am ordering a new preamp. I've said for months that I hope to upgrade to the larger Clarisys Auditoriums.
You'll want some power for speakers like that! Usually you can add 6dB to panel speakers because much of the sound is passing by a mic only 1 meter away and isn't picked up by it. But at 96dB in most rooms you'll want a clean 50 -60 Watts if you want to get the most out of the amplifier!

An alternate that is about 6dB more efficient is the Popori XR1 electrostatic. It has the efficiency that you would need 96dB 1 meter, so add 6 dB...) if you plan to use an SET that makes 30-50 Watts (at full power). But I think you'll find that such amplifiers have troubles with bandwidth, which can introduce phase shift in the region of vocals. Phase shift over a band of frequencies is interpreted by the ear as a tonality. But with a speaker that easy to drive you could have an SET of greater bandwidth and therefore more musical by simply getting one of lower power.
In general I think that tube rectification tends to achieve a denser, weightier tonality.
That points to a design flaw (likely power supply related) just so you know. The rectifier should have very little effect on the sound. What's important is the power supply be stable and low noise without any artifact from the transformer and rectifiers ('swept resonance', resulting in noise for those with a more technical mind).
Merely having an output transformer, without more, does not make a natively single-ended circuit a balanced circuit. By "natively single-ended" I mean (i) the circuit does not use a balancing input transformer or an unbalancing output transformer, and (ii) the circuit is not truly differential from input to output (where both positive and negative are processed internally with no reference to ground from input to output).

In a natively single-ended design the signal is always referenced to ground throughout the circuit.
Output transformers are commonly used to convert from single-ended to balanced; any transformer can do that task. In any balanced line preamp where the circuit is internally balanced as well (please note the distinction) ground is referenced. It would be very difficult to design a circuit wherein this was not the case. Ampex made the 351 tape electronics which were single-ended internally through most of the design except right at the output. The record side was zero feedback.

A good line transformer at the output of a preamp is a very good way to solve the long cable problem. You'd need one at both ends if the amplifier is to have a single-ended input.
 

And you guys still can’t post videos that do vocals remotely close to the ones posted on the vocals video thread, male or female. While I was previously an apogee fan, I haven’t heard any planars do vocals like some horns, but of course the difference increases on classical, rock, and jazz. In fact the Apogees did rock, not vocals, better than all horns except dual FLHs.

The first time I got interested in a horn was when I heard opera sound much better on 2w 45 amps and TAD based horns compared to the Martin Logans.
The above typically hubristic posting prompted me take a listen to the Male vocal thread featuring some system videos of Schubert's Winterreise track #2 "Die Wetterfahne." There are several from page 1-3.

My experience with many recordings of male classical vocalists is that they can have an unfortunate glare at times. It's as if the intensity of vocal power overwhelms the poor microphone. So I was curious how the Horn systems playing Bonzo's vaunted vinyl reference recordings would handle the challenge.

Unfortunately, the three horn systems playing Die Wetterfahne are, to my ears, the epitome of a hifi system locked in mortal combat with the forces of Room (presumably un-treated) and recording (harsh with glare).

Of course, they are phone vids with all the inherent caveats, but it does not well represent Horns or reference vinyl.

Not to derail Ron's system thread further, I posted my room recording from a lowly Qobuz stream. (One thing nice about streaming classical music is there are many choices of performance. I was able to find several really nice recordings of Winterreise).
 
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The above typically hubristic posting prompted me take a listen to the Male vocal thread featuring some system videos of Schubert's Winterreise track #2 "Die Wetterfahne." There are several from page 1-3.
Thanks for a hubristic posting from a digiphile proving my point. So you went through tons of male and female vocals I posted and chose to reply to one video to what you think were making a point - a track I have posted on other systems - to justify what? what do you know I was trying to demonstrate with that track, given I had posted it multiple times on that thread on different systems? And ignoring other vocal recordings I have posted on that horn or others.

The recording posted, btw, is a 8 euro digital vinyl recording, and a brilliant performance. I prefer it to the main collector approved pure vinyl performance of Dieskau, and it sounds different on different horns, or any speaker, and not good on the video you chose, and sounds good on other systems, and other recordings sounds good on that system you replied to, so again, not sure what you tried to prove with your hubristic posting except lack of audio comprehension on multiple fronts of recordings and auditions.

I have written many times about that particular recording, but it might have escaped you.

In fact below the video you replied to, I had posted one with Diapson speaker, and it was sounding the best on that. Which does not make any point.

That's the whole point of using multiple tracks to audition or demo a system (s) - btw, your recording sounds sh*t on that and will do on all, being digital
 
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@bonzo75 - could you stop being....well, could you please be a little bit more respectful and cordial in your responses? Perhaps a little bit less chest pounding?

This is not an official warning, but if you keep it up? It very well may become one.

Tom
 
@bonzo75 - could you stop being....well, could you please be a little bit more respectful and cordial in your responses? Perhaps a little bit less chest pounding?

This is not an official warning, but if you keep it up? It very well may become one.

Tom

His post starts with “this hubristic posting…”
 
Pot, kettle, black. It doesn't really matter who started it. It just needs to stop. It is constant with way to many threads/topics.

Tom
 
@bonzo75 - could you stop being....well, could you please be a little bit more respectful and cordial in your responses? Perhaps a little bit less chest pounding?

This is not an official warning, but if you keep it up? It very well may become one.

Tom

Tom, we all acknowledge that your judgement is supreme. But the posts here that you react to seem like a pretty small dustup at best. Bonzo did not address Wil but Wil felt the need to jump in and reply to him in a purposively unfriendly way and Bonzo reacted to that. In my opinion it would have been better to address both parties rather than singling out just one.
 
With all due respect, you do not see what we see. You see what you see. These are differing perspectives.

Regardless, these posts are all off topic. Let's please just get back to Ron's system. This is, after all, the thread topic.

Tom
 
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Ron, You have covered the new Western Electric SET amplifiers at the last two shows. Are you going to get a pair of those to drive the Clarisys?
 
New Acoustic Sciences Corp. Matrix Panel behind listening chair:

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I used Matrix Panels to good effect in my 10' x 16' listening room in Manhattan, in a situation where the listening chair was very close to the rear wall.

I think the Matrix Panel's combination of absorption and diffusion is the right medicine for being a bit close to the rear wall.
 
New Acoustic Sciences Corp. Matrix Panel behind listening chair:

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I used Matrix Panels to good effect in my 10' x 16' listening room in Manhattan, in a situation where the listening chair was very close to the rear wall.

I think the Matrix Panel's combination of absorption and diffusion is the right medicine for being a bit close to the rear wall.
Wow Ron - cool!

I have both tube traps and absorption panels behing my listing position. I think I have a good balance between both diffusion and absorption. Nice to see you’re working with your acoustics.

/ Jk
 
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Which amps are being run?
The fire extinguisher in the photo seems like a strong statement about the heat from the amps.

Jadis and VTLs

Confucius say: Better to have fire extinguisher and not need it, than to need fire extinguisher and not have it.
 
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In the last 11 days I have listened to the system by myself for about nine hours, and with four friends (each during his own listening session with me) for an additional 12 hours or so. I am enjoying this stereo the most of any stereo I have ever had.

The system does not sound like what I describe pejoratively as "typical contemporary high-end dealer sound." I find it emotionally involving and natural sounding, with very good suspension of disbelief. I attribute this mainly to the Clarisys loudspeakers.*

*Keep in mind that I became a dealer for the Clarisys loudspeakers only after I decided I like them for myself as my personal, end-game speakers.
 
In the last 11 days I have listened to the system by myself for about nine hours, and with four friends (each during his own listening session with me) for an additional 12 hours or so. I am enjoying this stereo the most of any stereo I have ever had.

The system does not sound like what I describe pejoratively as "typical contemporary high-end dealer sound." I find it emotionally involving and natural sounding, with very good suspension of disbelief. I attribute this mainly to the Clarisys loudspeakers.*

*Keep in mind that I became a dealer for the Clarisys loudspeakers only after I decided I like them for myself as my personal, end-game speakers.
Ron, I know it has been a long journey, and getting your system dialed to your liking has taken much time and effort. I look forward to heading up to the Cafe between SWAF and Axpona to see whats cooking at Chez Resnick!
 
Is this a new system and an expansion of Audio Cafe, Manhattan?
This thread is about the evolution of my system starting about 2 1/2 years ago.
 
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This thread is about the evolution of my system starting about 2 1/2 years ago
I’m not sure how to read your response.
Are you implying my q is off topic? Irrelevant? Isn’t worthy of a Y or N answer? All of the above?
I don’t recall any reference to a Manhattan apartment/system in this thread until now, hence the question.
I thought it was Beverly Hills, Ca, and started after your disastrous flood and then your ongoing journey building new system/sound room, etc.
About a year ago (?) i believe in this thread you announced “Audio Cafe” in Beverly Hills which seemed to have been born to promote/sell the Clarisys speakers.
If I am correct in my accounting then it appears as if this is a different system (comprised of electronics you already owned but were no longer using) driving a pair of Clarisys.
 

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