Anyone with big, high current amplifier(s) find a power conditioner that doesn't destroy the amplifier's virtues? Is it even possible? Which Ones?

[Alrainbow]

Does adding protection such as an electronmagnetic circuit breaker and/or surge/spike protection count as power conditioning?

What about the use of different materials - say a copper buss bar vs bronze - in different power distributors? Or gold plated outlets vs pure copper outlets. Is that conditioning? Do all power distributors sound the same?

There is so many variables who could answer honestly
I wound think anyting low in res is better so silver
Then gold
Then copper if remember coefficient right

 

[Alrainbow]

I am not cursing at you. But I was literally baffled beyond belief as to what you were talking about.

No one sells a “current conditioner” on purpose. And no one calls a product one either. (I thought maybe there was some wacky thing you’d inform me about, that I have never seen).

It’s impossible to limit current without severing the connection or passing it through a wire that’s minuscule as to cause tunneling effect. In our case it’s probably something around a human hair derivative, at 15A.

What happens frequently is saturation. Current makes it happen, but doesn’t decrease. It however punishes the voltage severely at all the wrong times. The same goes for transformers. But there are things you can do to decrease some of these effects (I made one specifically for Equi=Tech’s that help).

And no, DC on the line is in fact DC. If it were anything else then DC blockers wouldn’t work. DC blockers don’t filter noise. They work on the same principle as capacitors in the signal path, where DC cannot pass (and cannot kill your speakers).

Ok so. More misinformation you claim
For one any driver not uisng a cap will can be damaged exm a woofer it's a choke
A choke is used on dc psu s for this very reason it limits any change or slows down current
As such a current cond.
I never said a cap lowers noise on line
But it can of used right.
The Denali does not use a cap it's a Simple ferrite core bead tunned to common mode noise. It does work very well

 

[Folsom]

Ok so. More misinformation you claim
For one any driver not uisng a cap will can be damaged exm a woofer it's a choke
A choke is used on dc psu s for this very reason it limits any change or slows down current
As such a current cond.
I never said a cap lowers noise on line
But it can of used right.
The Denali does not use a cap it's a Simple ferrite core bead tunned to common mode noise. It does work very well

You can DC servo amplifiers to prevent DC. But it's more common for example in tube amps to use capacitors in series with the signal to prevent DC.

An inductor can be used anywhere. When it's used on DC it certainly doesn't slow current. There's no phase, or time measurement for DC because it's frequencyless.

 

[LL21]

The Torus 16AVR is way more than enough for the Mephisto Stereo

What are the differences between using the Mephisto into the wall...vs into the Torus? I am sure each home is different, depending on power grid, wiring design, etc...but helpful nonetheless as an important data point. Thanks!

 

[Alrainbow]

You can DC servo amplifiers to prevent DC. But it's more common for example in tube amps to use capacitors in series with the signal to prevent DC.

An inductor can be used anywhere. When it's used on DC it certainly doesn't slow current. There's no phase, or time measurement for DC because it's frequencyless.

Using an inductor on dc is all about current it slows down changes. It why it lowers ripple.
So of a large drain appears the core can help keep up with it.
A woofer typical has no cap as such on poor design amps pops this is dc at speakers
On any dc coupled amp or preamp meaning no cap at each stage like like mine dc can pass as one side of a signal as a constant.
Aside from many harmful effects from our ac mains there is well designed PSU that should do its part to fix.
A good preamp or even smaller set amps or ss
Can have a balanced iso inside for one. Audio designers are faced with many known issues that can be solved or made much better and its not just cost that stops them.
If all audio for USA use was 230 volt it would solve a world of hurt

 

[Alrainbow]

I installed a good iso transformer in a buds home
I even made the ground plain its own for audio. It fixed all of his woes. No hum better dynamics
So he does not use any cond now.
Last night I got a call from him. He tried a cond a passive one meaning no transforner inside made his dac alone better. Nothing else was better and were all worse except his new exp dac.
I now need to go there and use a scope to see what the hell is going on now. It could be simple as. Outside network grounding issues
I even gave him a network iso coupler too. A real transformer iso one.
Shit happens in audio and when your system is clear it all shows

 

[Alrainbow]

Also I don't sell or make products period. I do help many make better Devices. I'm no genius either lol.

 

[Vienna]

What are the differences between using the Mephisto into the wall...vs into the Torus? I am sure each home is different, depending on power grid, wiring design, etc...but helpful nonetheless as an important data point. Thanks!

a Mephisto doesn’t need any Torus to sound! I have just installed the AVR for protection.

 

[LL21]

a Mephisto doesn’t need any Torus to sound! I have just installed the AVR for protection.

Understood! Thanks.

 

[Bar81]

The Denali is definitely not going to work on monster amps (couldn't tell you on lesser amps but from reviews it seems that it can work just fine if the amps aren't pulling a lot of juice but I would expect that's the case with most power conditioners). On my M400s there's a very clear loss of dynamics when plugged into either a 6000/T or 6000/S versus the wall. I've heard the same thing regarding the Triton v3 which I'll be trying shortly.

Yup, now have a Triton v3 and similar dynamic limitation as the Denali so M400s are back to being direct to the wall.

 

[Alrainbow]

Im a bit confused on this assessment the dinali is a passive cond it has no limiting current path
It's a simple way of loading noise on the line
At certain frequencies so lowering it. It does work well.
So I'm confused how it can cause a loss of dynamics.
It's only loss maybe due to its wire gauge inside it. And it looks good to me.
Just my two cents

 

[Darius Tanz]

I am running a PS Audio Dectet with a CMX-2 for DC offset. No loss in dynamics.

 

[Alrainbow]

What is passing through the dc filter device device

 

[RogerD]

Nothing from the panel except dedicated lines and a star ground equipment circuit. My mono blocks are 1200+W and highly resolved. I do use NBS PC’s on the amplifiers.

 

[jeffreybehr]

I THINK one way to reduce the Voltage reductions caused by power-draw peaks is to use a power conditioner (PC) with higher power ratings than we normally use. For instance, my guess is that many of us use PCs with 15-amp ratings. So if one is driving poweramps with this PC, wouldn't driving it with a 20-amp-max PC AND BRANCH CIRCUIT rather than a '15-er' be better? If 'yes', then a 30-amp, 240VAC-driven PC would be even better, yes?

I drive ALL the electronic devices in my system(1) from my PC, and I try to accommodate the potential current draw by using a dedicated 20-amp branch circuit, a 20-amp duplex outlet, and a 5-star-rated 10g. Neotec powercord with 20-amp plugs on BOTH ends. I use a BPT balanced-power 3.5 Ultra PC.

(All inlets and outlets are Furutechs.)

It seems to work very well; at least my system sounds the best I've ever heard anywhere(2).

But even with all that said, I'm in line to evaluate, maybe within a month and for up to two months, an Audioquest Niagara 7000; we'll see what happens.



(1) except the main-speakers' bassamps
(2) but I don't go about looking for hi-end systems to listen to.

 

[Marcus]

Most power conditioners suck the dynamic life out of amplifiers. Anyone find a power distributor that works great with high-current amplifiers?

I did. P.I.Audio UberBUSS worked perfectly in that regard with my Karan KAM2000 monos (2000,4000,6000W/ch/8,4,2 ohms) and also with Gryphon Antileion Signature (Class A, 150W/ch). With top Furutech NCF receptacles it costs only around $1.600. And it’s really effective for EMI reduction.

 

[LL21]

I THINK one way to reduce the Voltage reductions caused by power-draw peaks is to use a power conditioner (PC) with higher power ratings than we normally use. For instance, my guess is that many of us use PCs with 15-amp ratings. So if one is driving poweramps with this PC, wouldn't driving it with a 20-amp-max PC AND BRANCH CIRCUIT rather than a '15-er' be better? If 'yes', then a 30-amp, 240VAC-driven PC would be even better, yes?

I drive ALL the electronic devices in my system(1) from my PC, and I try to accommodate the potential current draw by using a dedicated 20-amp branch circuit, a 20-amp duplex outlet, and a 5-star-rated 10g. Neotec powercord with 20-amp plugs on BOTH ends. I use a BPT balanced-power 3.5 Ultra PC.
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(All inlets and outlets are Furutechs.)
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It seems to work very well; at least my system sounds the best I've ever heard anywhere(2).

But even with all that said, I'm in line to evaluate, maybe within a month and for up to two months, an Audioquest Niagara 7000; we'll see what happens.



(1) except the main-speakers' bassamps
(2) but I don't go about looking for hi-end systems to listen to.

Very interested to hear how it goes with Audioquest Niagara 7000...have you considered the PS Audio P20?

 

[LL21]

Torus has power conditioners with many ratings - the local distributor of Gryphon was recently using two Mephysto mono's with a Torus AVR 16 CE (230V /16A) and was very pleased with it.

The Torus 16AVR is way more than enough for the Mephisto Stereo

Thanks both! I have just emailed to see if I can try the Torus products...specifically at Torus AVR16.

 

[Vienna]

Thanks both! I have just emailed to see if I can try the Torus products...specifically at Torus AVR16.

i Am confident that you will like it

 

[LL21]

i Am confident that you will like it

Thank you!