Anyone with big, high current amplifier(s) find a power conditioner that doesn't destroy the amplifier's virtues? Is it even possible? Which Ones?

Vienna

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I find that that’s the Torus/Bryston BIT are underrated gems. They go about doing their job without hue and cry. And they don’t cost an arm and a leg.
I totally agree.
 

LL21

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I am glad that you liked it. You will experience a greater improvement if you will change the factory power supply cable.
Already done! Yes...agree with that. I am using my Gryphon VIP Ref Cable which is 20amp in lieu of stock. The once additional difference however is that it plugs into a dedicated 20amp outlet...whereas the stock cable is for a standard 13 amp outlet. So by changing cables, i have actually made 2 changes.

Either way, yes...there was a nice uptick.
 
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johndoe21ro

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I really liked what AQ Niagara 5000 and IsoTek Sigmas are doing with amps. I didn't find them to limit the dynamics of my BAT VK-655SE! Highly recommended!
 

stehno

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Most power conditioners suck the dynamic life out of amplifiers. Anyone find a power distributor that works great with high-current amplifiers?
IMO, most line conditioners (LC's) just plain suck. Very few seem to serve their intended purpose which is to purify, cleanse, condition, and/or filter the universally noisy AC coming in from the street. Universal in that the AC noise applies to every dwelling regardless of the proximity of the nearest sub-station.

From 2001 - 2017 I used the passive, dedicated, and bi-directional filtering Foundation Research (now defunct) LC's. Quite musical. From 2017-present I've been using Jena Labs THE Two LC's which also are passive, dedicated, and bi-directional filtering and a bit more musical.

My current amps are Class D 575wpc@8ohms. Class D amps may not draw all that much current but a previously owned Class B 300wpc@8 ohms most certainly required a dedicated 20-amp circuit and a low current drawing 25 watt pre-amp on the same dedicated line indeed robbed that amp of its ability to reproduce dynamics. But my passive LC's did no such thing.

Anyway, I suggest looking for passive LC's since they should draw little/no current to themselves and hance, compromising dynamics should be a non-issue.

BTW, if you have a high-current drawing amp, hopefully it's already on its own dedciated AC circuit/line because anything else on that same circuit even something like low current drawing 25 watt pre-amp or active line conditioner can steal just enough juice from the amp to strip it of any dynamics during dynamic/complex passages. Also, with superior LC's in place the only purpose for dedicated circuits/lines is if one has a high-current-drawing amp as the dedicated LC's will take care of the rest.

Of course, finding superior LC's much less superior passive LC's that actually perform as intended can be a bit like looking for a needle in a haystack but they're out there.
 

AdamZ

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Hello Guys.
What i did a view Weeks ago is seperate the Power Amp(Krell KSA-200S),
plug it right to the Wall, from the Rest of the Gear,
and drive THIS(Preamp, CDP, DAC, Notebook) with a EATON 3S 850D UPS.
All the Units needs around 150 Watts of Power while playing Music. No Prob vor the UPS. And it sounds better/cleaner.
And after this i will have(maybe) a second look at the Amp- ;)
Adam says: keep it simple.
 

Alrainbow

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Straight to the wall is always best for power amplifiers ..
 
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Straight to the wall is always best for power amplifiers ..
IMHO it depends on mains quality and amplifier design. If the mains has variation, high distortion, noise or a significant impedance some specific power conditioner or regenerator can improve the situation. Also if the equipment produces noise that can be re-injected through the power cables some kind of noise absorption and /or suppression can be very welcome. The high-end is not an ideal world - it is a delicate balance of conflicting electronic assumptions.
 

Imperial

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You would need about 800% capacity of an AC KIT actual draw to negate hysterisis...anyway.
I would guess out of 10 million audiophiles less than 50 have applied their stuff correctly .. If even that.

So basically no one...

So ....
No. Not even the manufacturers of their own gear even touch their own theoretical usage...
I am told the best high end system in existance is owned by Putin, Vladimir...
It value is unknown because it is fully custom...
Meaning that every and all components exist in one and only one physical product...
 
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AdamZ

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You would need about 800% capacity of an AC KIT actual draw to negate hysterisis...anyway.
I would guess out of 10 million audiophiles less than 50 have applied their stuff correctly .. If even that.

So basically no one...

So ....
No. Not even the manufacturers of their own gear even touch their own theoretical usage...
I am told the best high end system in existance is owned by Putin, Vladimir...
It value is unknown because it is fully custom...
Meaning that every and all components exist in one and only one physical product...
Really?
But you're sure to do it right?
So let's worship the omniscient.
Amen
 

GSOphile

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I really liked what AQ Niagara 5000 and IsoTek Sigmas are doing with amps. I didn't find them to limit the dynamics of my BAT VK-655SE! Highly recommended!
I also have a Niagara 5000 attached to a 20 amp dedicated line driving my little system, which includes a Gryphon Diablo 300. My belief is that the dynamics have been improved.
 

George K

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my Torus AVR16 is one of the best units I’ve ever had in my system.
It fed Krell evo 402 amp in ten past and still feeds my Gryphon Antileon EVO without limiting dynamics.
Impressive products from a solid technology based company with best of service and support.

I‘d like to add that putting more Torus isolators brings more performance.
I am using the AVR16 feeding amplifiers and preamplifier then feeding another Torus TOT max that powers the rest of the sources. Better performance still.
the second Torus unit acts like a barrier between amplifiers and sources isolating them from each other. My dealer even tried 3 Torus units isolating separate devices with even slightly better results. Key is that all gear fed initially from the Torus AVR16 in the same dedicated power line.
 

George K

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3. MUST ground this unit and the amp...that was a big plus in creating organic nuance to the music. I had to disconnect 2 Entreq Receivus'...and use the cable to ground the Torus and Gryphon...absolutely worth doing​
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hey Lloyd please elaborate further on grounding the Torus .
 

LL21

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Hi GeorgeK,

Great insight. To make sure I am clear, you are running wall straight into Torus AVR16...and then the Gryphon Evo and Torus Tot (for sources) are both plugged into the Torus AVR16?

Interesting, as I think Aussienuet does the same with his AVR16 (and PS Audio for sources)...and I am also doing same with AVR16 and Burmester 948 (again, for sources only and going straight into AVR16).
 

LL21

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3. MUST ground this unit and the amp...that was a big plus in creating organic nuance to the music. I had to disconnect 2 Entreq Receivus'...and use the cable to ground the Torus and Gryphon...absolutely worth doing​
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hey Lloyd please elaborate further on grounding the Torus .[/QUOTE]
Hi!...you beat me catching up with you on this by 10 seconds! I also use an available signal ground to the Gryphon Mephisto unit and to the AVR16 unit. Agree with your observation!
 

George K

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Hi GeorgeK,

Great insight. To make sure I am clear, you are running wall straight into Torus AVR16...and then the Gryphon Evo and Torus Tot (for sources) are both plugged into the Torus AVR16?

Interesting, as I think Aussienuet does the same with his AVR16 (and PS Audio for sources)...and I am also doing same with AVR16 and Burmester 948 (again, for sources only and going straight into AVR16).
Exactly.

Dedicated line from the wall panel —> Torus AVR 16
then power amp/s to AVR16
then from AVR 16 feeding Torus TOT Max that feeds the rest of the sources.
 
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Alrainbow

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You would need about 800% capacity of an AC KIT actual draw to negate hysterisis...anyway.
I would guess out of 10 million audiophiles less than 50 have applied their stuff correctly .. If even that.

So basically no one...

So ....
No. Not even the manufacturers of their own gear even touch their own theoretical usage...
I am told the best high end system in existance is owned by Putin, Vladimir...
It value is unknown because it is fully custom...
Meaning that every and all components exist in one and only one physical product...
I agree but this is easy to achieve in most cases.
 

Alrainbow

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Just so we are clear all system power is fed from transformers. how close to your home n how many are attached to it or even an entire grid is.
 

Aussienut

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Hi GeorgeK,

Great insight. To make sure I am clear, you are running wall straight into Torus AVR16...and then the Gryphon Evo and Torus Tot (for sources) are both plugged into the Torus AVR16?

Interesting, as I think Aussienuet does the same with his AVR16 (and PS Audio for sources)...and I am also doing same with AVR16 and Burmester 948 (again, for sources only and going straight into AVR16).
LL12 you are correct. My AVR16 feeds the Krell Evo 400e monoblocks and a PS Audio P10. P10 feeds An Uptone PS for the MacMini, EMM Labs DAC and Krell Evo 202 pre. The AVR16 Plugs into a dedicated 240vac 6mm2 power supply cable that is only 5m from the house switchboard.
 

LL21

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Please let me know what is your grounding scheme?
you ground the amplifier to the Torus?
Hi...nothing too special. It worked, and I did not seek to optimize. Both of the units are connected to the Tripoint Troy. I am aware of the fact that some find the science behind it makes 0 sense. All I can say is that (for some odd reason) listening to complex choral music, I can understand certain words better with Troy connected than when it is not connected...no idea why, but that seems like a half-decent test for a non-techie like me. So I have left it that way.
 

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