This Corona Virus Mania is Just Too Much, We All Need to Chill!

[Steve Williams]

Interesting interview.

david

good interview

hopefully he is correct.. He'll know in 2-4 weeks

 

[Al M.]

To eat healthy food might be a good idea, lots of vegetables, no pre-fabricated food. Make health food at home

That too.

 

[Lagonda]

Interesting interview.

david

That was probably the most informative piece i have seen on the
subject and in line with what we
are doing in my country.

 

[Steve Williams]

That was probably the most informative piece i have seen on the
subject and in line with what we
are doing in my country.

What I found concerning was his last comment that he doesn’t expect to see a valid vaccine for well over one year

 

[Folsom]

 

[dminches]

What I found concerning was his last comment that he doesn’t expect to see a valid vaccine for well over one year

That would be unfortunate. Until people feel that there is some protection out there, either in the form of a vaccine or better treatment, they could be reluctant to resume normal behaviors including spending time with large groups of people.

 

[Lagonda]

What I found concerning was his last comment that he doesn’t expect to see a valid vaccine for well over one year

Yes, the reality is probably that we are going to have this virus burning
slowly trough the populations hopefully at a rate that our health care system can handle. That is
the message we are getting in my
country

 

[Steve Williams]

That would be unfortunate. Until people feel that there is some protection out there, either in the form of a vaccine or better treatment, they could be reluctant to resume normal behaviors including spending time with large groups of people.

Precisely my thought

Johnson and Johnson has a vaccine now. Their CEO said yesterday that not til 1st quarter of 2021

 

[Lagonda]

That would be unfortunate. Until people feel that there is some protection out there, either in the form of a vaccine or better treatment, they could be reluctant to resume normal behaviors including spending time with large groups of people.

I don’t think large groups is smart
for the foreseeable future.
You want a slow controled spread
where you build up herd immunity
in the population, while you protect
the weak and elderly from the virus.

 

[Steve Williams]

I forgot to say that the CEO of J and J said they expect to have billions of doses available by the first quarter of 2021

 

[Steve Williams]

I don’t think large groups is smart
for the foreseeable future.

Unless you’re vaccinated and serologic tests confirm immunity.

 

[Lagonda]

Unless you’re vaccinated and serologic tests confirm immunity.

In theory you could “release”
people that have the anti gene
and are no longer contagious, and
let them assume normal life.
I heard the germans where going
to do that, maybe with a certificate ? The germans have always been
pragmatic, they have legal prostitution, and the girls go to the
doctor once a month and get testet
and their “license” renewed

 

[dminches]

In theory you could “release”
people that have the anti gene
and are no longer contagious, and
let them assume normal life.
I heard the germans where going
to do that, maybe with a certificate ?

That approach seems like a good one but in the US that would require being able to do the blood test on a couple hundred million people and to also confirm that the test shows who is protected. Hopefully someone is working on that.

 

[Steve Williams]

I know that to some people for reasons that I consider absurd, vaccinations are to be shunned as they feel vaccinations might lead their child to autism.

we all know at the time of delivery certain things are done to the neonate to prevent infection
We also know that a breast feeding mom confers passive immunity to her child until such a time as its own immune system develops

what I’m trying to say is that we as the human race have put to rest by way of vaccine horrible illnesses which took many lives.
Smallpox
Polio
Rubella
Varicella

to name but a few

IMHO this is one mean virus that if not put to rest could easily rear its ugly head. Pandemics can destroy mankind as we know it

my biggest hope is that a vaccine comes quickly and brings high success in immunization ( not everyone vaccinated become immune) If this becomes the norm then this vaccination should become part of the immunization schedule of every child. This virus needs global attention

 

[Folsom]

I like that Doctor. He's been doing webinars answering questions in the medical community, too.

Here's something not considered too much... What if WAY MORE people are infected/recovered than we think (maybe even a majority), and many of those showing up for treatment are there because their immune system hasn't dealt with it until it was triggered by being essentially over-run. Some people have very tolerant immune systems that try to co-exist with bugs that are harmless, but they aren't always correct at first to which are tolerable inmates. If that's true, and you have a mix of uncomfortable sickness, diarrhea only, cough only, and asymptomatics then the speading is explained better despite the shutting down. It also would mean that it'll start flattening out more than we expect - but only after we see the pattern in most places (perhaps mostly areas that have colder weather). On top of that it means that the problem is simply the contagion level and it isn't that lethal except for the fact that everyone got it at once and the delayed immune ones are suffering.

Just a thought... I can see where the doctor is coming from. There's a lot of possibility that it isn't nearly as potentially as bad as millions by any means. China hasn't had millions of deaths and look at their population numbers. Do you really think their delayed actions would have been the only thing to save them? Because they're more aggressive? If it were true it's hard to believe that it could be nearly as wide spread as it is...

*Consider this* They're showing that the West side of Washington start tracking a month ago in significant numbers. My brother, his wife, and a bunch of their coworkers had it well before then and they wouldn't test people for it. Droves of people were tested for flu and came up negative. He's in Bellingham, not Seattle area (obviously very close, very connected). So it was spreading like wild fire prior to the claims. Now consider what I was saying about delayed reactions being possibly those of a body over-run that contracted it long before symptoms, maybe well before 14 days.

It appears like every politician is trying to figure out how to be the savior. It seems like they're all fighting to take credit, more than having success as they describe. The spread seems to continue, but not necessarily the severity. It's starting to feel a bit like they're just waiting to take credit for something that might be surprisingly more natural than man-intervened. But I could be wrong and get it tomorrow (if I don't already have or have had, I don't know) and die, I don't know for sure. I'm just starting to wonder a lot about what the numbers are saying because it's all interpretive right now.

 

[Gregadd]

Let us not forget religious reasons for avoiding vaccines. We have witnessed the beauty and horror of vaccines. I think they are well worth the risk. You can make a decision for yourself but not for others.
I don't think we know what causes autism. I suspect the cause is manmade. All the likely suspects should be investigated without fear or favor.
The human autoimuné system remains unrivaled by modern medicine. When it does fail we should assist it.
My lay opinion. YMV.

 

[Lagonda]

I like that Doctor. He's been doing webinars answering questions in the medical community, too.

Here's something not considered too much... What if WAY MORE people are infected/recovered than we think (maybe even a majority), and many of those showing up for treatment are there because their immune system hasn't dealt with it until it was triggered by being essentially over-run. Some people have very tolerant immune systems that try to co-exist with bugs that are harmless, but they aren't always correct at first to which are tolerable inmates. If that's true, and you have a mix of uncomfortable sickness, diarrhea only, cough only, and asymptomatics then the speading is explained better despite the shutting down. It also would means that it'll start flattening out more than we expect - but only after we see the pattern in most places (perhaps mostly areas that have colder weather). On top of that it means that the problem is simply the contagion level and it isn't that lethal except for the fact that everyone got it at once and the delayed immune ones are suffering.

Just a thought... I can see where the doctor is coming from. There's a lot of possibility that it isn't nearly as potentially as bad as millions by any means. China hasn't had millions of deaths and look at their population numbers. Do you really think their delayed actions would have been the only thing to save them? Because they're more aggressive? If it were true it's hard to believe that it could be nearly as wide spread as it is...

Folsom, do you really think the chinese would have used the draconian measures that they
have if they could have quietly let
old folks die ? If any government could get away with it, it would be there. They don’t have to worry about
re-election. They did it because it’s
the fastest way to slow down the spread, and not slowing down the
spread wipes out the health care system. They also had the advantage of very localized spread with the
ability to send a lot of doctors to that
region.

 

[Folsom]

I know that to some people for reasons that I consider absurd, vaccinations are to be shunned as they feel vaccinations might lead their child to autism.

we all know at the time of delivery certain things are done to the neonate to prevent infection
We also know that a breast feeding mom confers passive immunity to her child until such a time as its own immune system develops

what I’m trying to say is that we as the human race have put to rest by way of vaccine horrible illnesses which took many lives.
Smallpox
Polio
Rubella
Varicella

to name but a few

IMHO this is one mean virus that if not put to rest could easily rear its ugly head. Pandemics can destroy mankind as we know it

my biggest hope is that a vaccine comes quickly and brings high success in immunization ( not everyone vaccinated become immune) If this becomes the norm then this vaccination should become part of the immunization schedule of every child. This virus needs global attention

I use to think anti-vaxxers where a bit nuts but now... Actually I don't, not entirely.

If you can prove you make antibodies against it, and it can't be recontracted, there is no need for a vaccine for you. And yet they might try to force it on us anyways? Not me if I show antibodies. (I hate needles)

I'm not saying it's proof but we have seen a case of stopping vaccinations and seeing an immediate drop in autism in kids. (there's no plausible explanation, might be as simple as no diagnosing)

Also I'm actually opposed to measles vaccines. It's a goal of mine to contract it if possible from an anti-vaxxer (even though I had the vaccine, I'm seriously hoping I still can). Why? Because it trigger epgienetics that make you way less likely to have a heart attack. People before 1957 are considered immune so we somehow lost that benefit epigenetically speaking and the only way to resurge it is to have measles. And if you think about the symptoms it makes sense that it affects the epigenetics of the cardio system.

Polio is always said to be a thing of the past just due to vaccines. But prenatal vitamins are just as effective (and generally speaking way better for the humans). Unknown fact, only a very small percentage of people with polio have any lasting symptoms (the ones we fear), and it has been shown those that do basically exclusively have nutritional deficiencies. I'm not against the vaccine, or for it, kinda depends on what country you are in.

 

[Folsom]

Folsom, do you really think the chinese would have used the draconian measures that they
have if they could have quietly let
old folks die ? If any government could get away with it, it would be there. They don’t have to worry about
re-election. They did it because it’s
the fastest way to slow down the spread, and not slowing down the
spread wipes out the health care system. They also had the advantage of very localized spread with the
ability to send a lot of doctors to that
region.

Technically speaking unless you have a near identical country that did nothing but treat symptoms, you have ZERO proof what they did worked. I'm not saying that I think it's inadvisable necessarily, but the possibility exists. Antibody tests will tell us more than anything else at this point - and doing them the general population is the only way.

What I can't argue is that anything that slows the spread helps the medical system stay afloat to be able to treat those that are going to pull through if they have severe symptoms.

 

[Steve Williams]

I use to think anti-vaxxers where a bit nuts but now... Actually I don't, not entirely.

If you can prove you make antibodies against it, and it can't be recontracted, there is no need for a vaccine for you. And yet they might try to force it on us anyways? Not me if I show antibodies.

I'm not saying it's proof but we have seen a case of stopping vaccinations and seeing an immediate drop in autism in kids.

Also I'm actually opposed to measles vaccines. It's a goal of mine to contract it if possible from an anti-vaxxer (even though I had the vaccine, I'm seriously hoping I still can). Why? Because it trigger epgienetics that make you way less likely to have a heart attack. People before 1957 are considered immune so we somehow lost that benefit epigenetically speaking and the only way to resurge it is to have measles. And if you think about the symptoms it makes sense that it affects the epigenetics of the cardio system.

Polio is always said to be a thing of the past just due to vaccines. But prenatal vitamins are just as effective (and generally speaking way better for the humans). Unknown fact, only a very small percentage of people with polio have any lasting symptoms (the ones we fear), and it has been shown those that do basically exclusively have nutritional deficiencies. I'm not against the vaccine, or for it, kinda depends on what country you are in.

im just going to nicely say that “let’s agree to disagree”

Theres nothing of any truth to what you said