Identification of members

[Lagonda]

OK Ok Ok, i admit it, my name is really Kurt, and i only own a transistor radio, but i like reading about audio !

 

[andromedaaudio]

OK Ok Ok, i admit it, my name is really Kurt, and i only own a transistor radio, but i like reading about audio !

ChatGPT says i shouldnt trust anyone on forums

 

[PeterA]

It is very easy to identify the ignorant, charlatans, twits and goof-balls by what they post. And likewise, it is very easy to identify the educated and knowledgeable also by what they post. Identify is one thing, facts are a matter all together much more powerful and insightful.

I agree. What members actually post is very revealing about their character and their level of knowledge and experience. Hobbyists can learn about dealers and manufacturers and decide with whom they want to do business by reading how these members of the industry present themselves in a public forum.

This proposal seems to be an attempt to create some kind of hierarchy about the value of contributions. I also see it as a way to elevate the importance of those in the industry. It is clear that there are a lot of hobbyists who have more knowledge and experience than some in the industry.

Amir is discussing something similar in his thread about the value of reviews and the importance of seeking out audiophile experts. That thread it’s very interesting because it is critical of the conventional wisdom and status quo. Some people prefer anonymity when participating in social media. Removing that anonymity, may affect the number of members who want to participate here.

 

[Elliot G.]

This proposal seems to be an attempt to create some kind of hierarchy about the value of contributions. I also see it as a way to elevate the importance of those in the industry. It is clear that there are a lot of hobbyists who have more knowledge and experience than some in the industr

No Peter its about intellectual honesty and reality whether you are in the Industry or not has little to do with it. But as long as you bring it up those in the Industry are treated differently just because they are while those who are hiding can make BS statements and hide behind thier fake diplomas and letters of recognition. I proposed that everyone use or identify at least their real name and what they really own.
Do you know what catfishing is?

 

[PeterA]

No Peter its about intellectual honesty and reality whether you are in the Industry or not has little to do with it. But as long as you bring it up those in the Industry are treated with disdain and dismissive comments just because they are while those who are hiding can make BS statements and hide behind thier fake diplomas and letters of recognition. I proposed that everyone use or identify at least their real name and what they really own.
Do you know what catfishing is?

You are basically suggesting that things stay the same for members of industry whose identity is already known and declared and that things should change for hobbyists who want to remain anonymous. Did you contact the owners directly with your proposal before you went public with the idea? I have no idea what catfishing is.

What I find more interesting is which members of industry are asked to pay a fee to be here. Are they all or just the ones who include contact information and specifics about what they sell or manufacture. Are there exceptions or is everyone treated equally? Is revealing identities part of it?

An owner just told me the other day that he doesn’t notice any changes here. I found that very interesting. I think the site is very different from a few years ago and continues to change rapidly.

 

[GSOphile]

I would prefer not to use my real name for security reasons. This more important to me than any pretensions of audio expertise.

 

[Carlos269]

No Peter its about intellectual honesty and reality whether you are in the Industry or not has little to do with it. But as long as you bring it up those in the Industry are treated differently just because they are while those who are hiding can make BS statements and hide behind thier fake diplomas and letters of recognition. I proposed that everyone use or identify at least their real name and what they really own.
Do you know what catfishing is?

Just read the posts. They tell you all there is to know. No BS. Unless you have the claimed background, you cannot post the level of information and demonstrate the knowledge displayed.

Do you also believe that the pictures and videos of my systems are fakes?

The technical information that I have provided has not been challenged, and that is for a reason…..I’m the genuine article, the real deal. I’m everything that I say that I am and you just need to stop it with your infatuation.

I frankly don’t know why it’s so difficult for you to accept that there are some very smart and accomplished individuals on these forums; who in many, or most cases, have a better understanding of technical, scientific, and business matters than the so called “Industry Experts”.

My ego is not so “inflated” to think that I’m alone in this category.

 

[andromedaaudio]

No Peter its about intellectual honesty and reality whether you are in the Industry or not has little to do with it. But as long as you bring it up those in the Industry are treated differently just because they are while those who are hiding can make BS statements and hide behind thier fake diplomas and letters of recognition. I proposed that everyone use or identify at least their real name and what they really own.
Do you know what catfishing is?

As far as i know everybody is free to use whatever name they want on a audioforum .
Go to any forum and you see all kinds of pseudonyms being used .
Who cares its only audio , money i make elsewhere not in the audiobizz .

 

[spiritofmusic]

OK Ok Ok, i admit it, my name is really Kurt, and i only own a transistor radio, but i like reading about audio !

And you've never got it on.

 

[Bobvin]

Carlos, is there any topic…

agh, no, as much as I want to, I won’t go there.

 

[Elliot G.]

Just read the posts. They tell you all there is to know. No BS. Unless you have the claimed background, you cannot post the level of information and demonstrate the knowledge displayed.

Do you also believe that the pictures and videos of my systems are fakes?

The technical information that I have provided has not been challenged, and that is for a reason…..I’m the genuine article, the real deal. I’m everything that I say that I am and you just need to stop it with your infatuation.

I frankly don’t know why it’s so difficult for you to accept that there are some very smart and accomplished individuals on these forums; who in many, or most cases, have a better understanding of technical, scientific, and business matters than the so called “Industry Experts”.

My ego is not so “inflated” to think that I’m alone in this category.

Actually I do think you are a fake. The picture of a room full of stuff in some haphazard manner proves nothing, not do your degrees that you didnt post or your letter from NASA. These prove nothing but the condescention and arrogance by which you treat others says a whole bunch.
I also dont get why someone who is a "tradesman" might actually be qualified to make a statement that you don't agree with.
For all I believe you are some college dropout living in his mothers basement.

 

[bryans]

How does posting your name and/or gear, both which can be made up, make one's comments valid or have more meaning?

 

[DSkip]

How does posting your name and/or gear, both which can be made up, make one's comments valid or have more meaning?

It doesn't. Forums are communities and village idiots don't need to wear a dunce hat for the community to realize who they are. Even newcomers only need a little time to witness it. In this case, I have no idea what feuds are going on so that is just a general statement.

Even for industry insiders, the tag means nothing in terms of expertise on a subject. Poster reputation sets that for each individual reader. Again, its a community, not a peer-reviewed journal.


Personally, I've quit posting on all forums except selectively. Being in the industry makes forum participation delicate at best. Even with vast knowledge on a particular subject, posts are rarely ever received with the intended purpose. I don't believe expectation bias happens nearly as often in this hobby as some people argue, but I think it definitely applies within forum communications.

 

[msimanyi]

BTW IMO this is why nothing changes in our world. No one is willing to try anything that might improve anything unless there is money to be made.

Well I think you've sponsored a reasonable discussion, here, about the subject. I understand your position. I generally *like* forums where people use their real names, as they generally provide reasonable responses. (That's not *always* true, but in general it's how I see it.) Edit: Hi, I'm Mike.

That said, I think you've seen several responses with good reasons not to filter / qualify people in order to grant posting rights. I'll take it one step further: if we did as you say, very few people would have posting rights. When I ask about X product or Y music, I can't get the opinions of other consumers, I can only get the opinion of someone who presented a claim that they have "Status." Heck, I couldn't even ask in the first place! So there's no reason for me to be here if I can't ask questions and receive opinions.

I think you'd see a huge falloff of forum traffic, you'd see a considerable reduction of contributions by a number of non-professional individuals (who likely *do* have valid perspective), and ultimately you could lose the forum entirely since it wouldn't be commercially viable.

I do think this forum is quite good in terms of civility. Clearly that doesn't span all cases, but the people who are trolls are pretty easy to identify... and Ignore.

Finally, do you believe in free speech? I do, though that really doesn't apply here in a legal sense. The owners of the forum have acceptable use policies. Those can legally be tailored to limit free speech if they want. If you want to violate those terms, do so at your own risk.

I think WBF strikes a reasonable balance. I'm just glad it's not (I was going to name it, but I'll abstain).com.

I'm glad you posted your idea though Elliot. Thank you for doing so, and sorry you had the experience that prompted it.

 

[bonzo75]

I think all dealers should be given a sub forum called Wheat.

All others should be in a sub forum called Chaff. As long as we stick to these forums and don’t intersect I am happy

 

[Amir]

Some members prefer to be un-known and it does not mean they are fake or they are not honest or they are trying to advertise for some brands in hidden way.
I think It is about privacy and we should regard it.
I had not good feeling when two members posted here about Amir Audio (my audio distribution activity) and I think we should care about "what members think/says" "not who are they" .

I have read this forum and find what david (@ddk) says is very accurate , when I learn from David then It is not important David is active in High end industry or not. If david likes CEC transport or Lamm amplifiers then you can not say david likes those components because he is Lamm distributor and he is trying to promote Lamm.
No it is not a right way to judge David ideas.

 

[andromedaaudio]

For me it definetively matters if someone shares his/ her system with system pics .
Posters can say whatever they want off course some i take serious and some not..

Dealers/ reviewers i usually take with a grain of salt from the get go , as they have to make a living of this industry.

David is a different story afaik.
Very Knowledgeable sharing his own vision regarding soundreproduction and being totally open about it.
I would like WBF to stay a consumer forum foremost .
Im not interested in only marketing , members and members systems make it interesting.

 

[Rensselaer]

Argumentum ab auctoriate, (argument from authority), a fallacy of logic.

Authority has no place in science; as it forever prevents revisiting the same ground (WikipediA)

 

[Scott Naylor]

I would like to propose that rule 13 in the forum's terms of service be deleted? Obviously it is unenforceable. Is there a formal way to go about making this request? .

 

[Elliot G.]

How does posting your name and/or gear, both which can be made up, make one's comments valid or have more meaning?

Its starts with the illusion of being honest. I think all posters accounts should be validated so we dont have the kind of thing that happened yesterday with the Physco person and otheres who have hiden agendas. as posted above those who have industry credentials are all devils unless their gear is owned by the consumer posting. Perhaps there are Industry professionals that know something or is that only given to the "popular" ones like Taiko or wilson or Magico. SO which way is it? free speech for all or only for some?