A new star in 2019 : Innuos Statement Server

Sablon Audio

Industry Expert, VIP Donor
May 22, 2015
501
91
28
#41
SGM Ultimate is not Sound Galleries product, but Taiko Audio product~!!
Actually all generations of the server have been Taiko developed and manufactured products, is just the original was labelled SGM as a marketing name. Anyhow, the use of the SGM branding is no longer appropriate given that the Taiko name has become well established and also now that the SGM store is closing down.
 

Kingsrule

Active Member
Feb 3, 2011
750
31
28
#42
Can anyone tell us what exactly are the specs for any of the Innous products?
Processor?
Ram?
PS?
Network cards?
Clocks?
SSD brand?
Etc.

If they won't tell it must be a bunch of off the self stuff in nice looking cases....

Actually these questions apply to almost all of the "audio" network server companies
 

Kingsrule

Active Member
Feb 3, 2011
750
31
28
#43
Actually all generations of the server have been Taiko developed and manufactured products, is just the original was labelled SGM as a marketing name. Anyhow, the use of the SGM branding is no longer appropriate given that the Taiko name has become well established and also now that the SGM store is closing down.
These guys could all use a lesson in marketing/website sales model. They are really bad at it....
 

asiufy

Member Sponsor
Jul 8, 2011
3,037
171
63
San Diego, CA
almaaudio.com
#44

Taiko Audio

Active Member
Feb 10, 2017
338
92
28
The Netherlands
taikoaudio.com
#45
Actually all generations of the server have been Taiko developed and manufactured products, is just the original was labelled SGM as a marketing name. Anyhow, the use of the SGM branding is no longer appropriate given that the Taiko name has become well established and also now that the SGM store is closing down.
To expand on this:

The Sound Galleries store owner in Monaco has indeed been contemplating moving to a new location. This has however been put on the back burner so the store will stay where it is for the foreseeable future.

The Sound Galleries "SGM 2015" music server will continue to exist in it's current "EVO update" iteration, it will not be discontinued. "SGM 2015" is an abbreviation of "Sound Galleries Munich 2015" where Geoffrey Armstrong and Edward Hsu generated the idea to launch a music server specialised in converting / up sampling all sources to DSD using HQPlayer algorithms. This server ended up being developed and manufactured by Taiko Audio in The Netherlands.

The upcoming Taiko Audio "SGM Extreme" music server will be launching as an entirely different product. Unlike the Sound Galleries SGM it is not specialised in, nor optimised for, DSD conversion / up sampling. It has been designed for top level bit perfect playback. We call it "Extreme" because it is, it sports a 400 Watt power supply, 2 Xeon class CPU's, all passively cooled, can house multiple network interfaces, multiple DAC interfaces and up to 24 drives for internal music storage. I will leave it at that as I feel it's improper to be posting about it in this thread about the Innuos Statement server.
 
Likes: CKKeung

Taiko Audio

Active Member
Feb 10, 2017
338
92
28
The Netherlands
taikoaudio.com
#46
Can anyone tell us what exactly are the specs for any of the Innous products?
Processor?
Ram?
PS?
Network cards?
Clocks?
SSD brand?
Etc.

If they won't tell it must be a bunch of off the self stuff in nice looking cases....

Actually these questions apply to almost all of the "audio" network server companies
If there is not enough detail on the website, link included below, feel free to contact us for further details.

Sound Galleries SGM EVO
 

Kingsrule

Active Member
Feb 3, 2011
750
31
28
#47
If there is not enough detail on the website, link included below, feel free to contact us for further details.
That's a great start.
How about pictures of internals?
How about pictures of an actual EVO?
How about being able to order on the web shop?
Options and costs?
 
May 30, 2010
14,817
345
83
Portugal
#52
I have now got the Innuous Statement. I connected an RJ45 cable from the LAN connector to the router and another to the Streamer connector going to the RJ45 connector of the up-sampler. After several unsuccessful tries and factory reset's I installed the Roon core and ripped two CDs just to listen. From start the sound is more robust and solid than my tweaked experimental server using an old PC runing W10 and Roon - much less "streamer like."

Unfortunately direct comparison will not be possible - I can only to run the Roon core in one machine, I had to disable the PC version to run Roon in the Statement.
 

asiufy

Member Sponsor
Jul 8, 2011
3,037
171
63
San Diego, CA
almaaudio.com
#53
Francisco,
Your Roon license is good for one server at a time. You can quickly switch between the two Cores, by authorizing/unauthorizing each Roon machine/license. Roon itself will tell you that, and prompt you to unauthorize the other machine.
Also, make sure you've ripped the CDs to WAV, using the Quiet mode.
 
Likes: christoph
May 30, 2010
14,817
345
83
Portugal
#54
Francisco,
Your Roon license is good for one server at a time. You can quickly switch between the two Cores, by authorizing/unauthorizing each Roon machine/license. Roon itself will tell you that, and prompt you to unauthorize the other machine.
Also, make sure you've ripped the CDs to WAV, using the Quiet mode.
Yes, I have done it, but I would like to keep both machines working simultaneously.
Anyway I have listened to several rips and I am favorable impressed with sound quality. Not however with the quality of the non existing manuals and the on-line documentation on the Zen.

Going through the Statement with Roon is a nightmare for non experts. Copying HiRez files from my W10 music folders the internal SDD systematically block as the Statement does not recognize some windows file extensions, Roon is not connecting automatically any more and some files that play perfectly from the W10 machine have now some occasional dropouts.

As far as I see current Statement owners are just beta-users ... :( But yes, it sounds promising ...
 

asiufy

Member Sponsor
Jul 8, 2011
3,037
171
63
San Diego, CA
almaaudio.com
#55
You can keep both machines running simultaneously, no need to power each one off. The software will be engaged/disengaged on demand, based on where the valid license is at a given point in time.

I do agree that documentation is lacking, and whatever exists online is outdated now. But the latest word I got from the folks at Innuos is that they're working on a new website, with a dedicated documentation and support area.

What I don't agree is the "beta-users". The Innuos software is quite stable, is updated with a certain frequency, and is quite efficient. We usually help clients install their own Innuos servers, but I've found out that most were able to get started even before I get there. The machine is, literally, plug and play.

Copying files to and from the Innuos is no different than it is from the Aurender. If anything, adding files to the Aurender is a more cumbersome process than it is with Roon.

Seems to me you just need the help of a qualified dealer to walk you through some of the specific tasks you want to be able to perform (in the absence of documentation). If you don't have the local dealer support, I can try to help, so please let me know exactly what you're trying to do, and maybe I'm able to help.
 
May 30, 2010
14,817
345
83
Portugal
#56
You can keep both machines running simultaneously, no need to power each one off. The software will be engaged/disengaged on demand, based on where the valid license is at a given point in time.

I do agree that documentation is lacking, and whatever exists online is outdated now. But the latest word I got from the folks at Innuos is that they're working on a new website, with a dedicated documentation and support area.

What I don't agree is the "beta-users". The Innuos software is quite stable, is updated with a certain frequency, and is quite efficient. We usually help clients install their own Innuos servers, but I've found out that most were able to get started even before I get there. The machine is, literally, plug and play.

Copying files to and from the Innuos is no different than it is from the Aurender. If anything, adding files to the Aurender is a more cumbersome process than it is with Roon.

Seems to me you just need the help of a qualified dealer to walk you through some of the specific tasks you want to be able to perform (in the absence of documentation). If you don't have the local dealer support, I can try to help, so please let me know exactly what you're trying to do, and maybe I'm able to help.
Sorry Alex, but IMHO users of a product that has no documentation at all are Beta users. The machine is plug and play if you use it just to perform the very basic functions - not my case.

And yes I tried engage/disengage the software in two machines - at a point everything hanged-up and I had to shoot down and power-on everything to have music again. Not my idea of a fast comparison.

As you I was told that they are working on a new website, with a dedicated documentation and support area. I am sure that they will have it, but I am commenting on the current status of the product. Surely using advanced google and looking for discussions on the Zen machines I am solving most of the problems I find. And I do not care about comparisons with the Aurender, I compare it with an installation of Roon on my Windows10 server.

But yes, the most important part, it sounds really excellent in the Vivaldi using the streamer output.
 
May 30, 2010
14,817
345
83
Portugal
#57
Alex, I will use the forum to ask a few questions - I hope they can be of use to others.

Can we protect the Statement installation with a password? It seems anyone using my,unnuos.com can change the configuration or access the files in the SDD from a windows machine connected to the network.

What is the best sounding configuration for Roon of the three possible ones?

Does a file being played from the internal SDD sound better than played from a NAS?

You referred that a WAV file sounds better than a FLAC. What should we do with HiRez PCM files?
 

moby2004

New Member
Jan 21, 2018
18
0
1
#58
Sorry Alex, but IMHO users of a product that has no documentation at all are Beta users. The machine is plug and play if you use it just to perform the very basic functions - not my case.

And yes I tried engage/disengage the software in two machines - at a point everything hanged-up and I had to shoot down and power-on everything to have music again. Not my idea of a fast comparison.

As you I was told that they are working on a new website, with a dedicated documentation and support area. I am sure that they will have it, but I am commenting on the current status of the product. Surely using advanced google and looking for discussions on the Zen machines I am solving most of the problems I find. And I do not care about comparisons with the Aurender, I compare it with an installation of Roon on my Windows10 server.

But yes, the most important part, it sounds really excellent in the Vivaldi using the streamer output.
Hello ,
Congrats with your Statement purchase!
Wondering if you compared the usb and rj45 outputs of your statement in your vivaldi upsampler?
Thanks
 
May 30, 2010
14,817
345
83
Portugal
#59
Hello ,
Congrats with your Statement purchase!
Wondering if you compared the usb and rj45 outputs of your statement in your vivaldi upsampler?
Thanks
Not yet, but I have to get a decent USB cable to carry the comparison.
 

asiufy

Member Sponsor
Jul 8, 2011
3,037
171
63
San Diego, CA
almaaudio.com
#60
Alex, I will use the forum to ask a few questions - I hope they can be of use to others.
Excellent, let me see if I can help!

Can we protect the Statement installation with a password? It seems anyone using my,unnuos.com can change the configuration or access the files in the SDD from a windows machine connected to the network.
The whole "my.innuos.com" thing is an ingenious way to locate your device, *from another device on your local network*. What does that mean? That it'll only work if whoever's accessing it already has access to your local network.
Want to give it a try? On your mobile, while connected to your local network (via Wi-Fi), "my.innuos.com" will work just fine. Now, disable Wi-Fi, and just use your phone's data network. That way you will NOT be on your local network anymore. Then try "my.innuos.com" again. Your Statement won't be visible anymore, even though it's still there, operational, maybe even playing music. It's just that your phone is not on your local network anymore, and so the Innuos is off-limits to it.
As it is, there is no access control built into the Innuos software, and that's for simplicity' sake. That's part of what makes it easy to set up and use (one less password).

What is the best sounding configuration for Roon of the three possible ones?
What do you mean here? Roon has a myriad of options and configurations. The first thing I'd do is disable all sorts of DSP within Roon, by going into Settings > Audio > <locate your dCS here> > gears > DSP Engine.

Does a file being played from the internal SDD sound better than played from a NAS?
If I ever did that comparison, it was very early on, and I don't remember either way, so possibly it was not significant. I will have to give that one a try now...

You referred that a WAV file sounds better than a FLAC. What should we do with HiRez PCM files?
If you've already purchased them in FLAC, go ahead and convert them using an app on your Mac or PC, like dBpowerAmp or XLD, then store the AIFF files (preferable to WAV) and ditch the FLAC.
If you're buying new albums, I recommend you purchase either WAV or AIFF files, not FLAC.
And, as I said, when ripping, go with the WAV option with the Innuos software.

Hope this helps!
 

About us

  • What’s Best Forum is THE forum for high end audio, product reviews, advice and sharing experiences on the best of everything else. A place where audiophiles and audio companies discuss existing and new audio products, music servers, music streamers and computer audio, digital to audio convertors (DACS), turntables, phono stages, cartridges, reel to reel, speakers, headphones, tube amplifiers and solid state amplification. Founded in 2010 What's Best Forum invites intelligent and courteous people of all interests and backgrounds to describe and discuss the best of everything. From beginners to life-long hobbyists to industry professionals we enjoy learning about new things and meeting new people and participating in spirited debates.

Quick Navigation

User Menu

Steve Williams
Site Founder | Site Owner | Administrator
Ron Resnick
Site Co-Owner | Administrator
Julian (The Fixer)
Website Build | Marketing Managersing