I don’t doubt it. I was just making a side comment for reference which apparently isn’t allowed. Lene-who? Now back to normal programming...
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Alsyvox planars...prepare to sell your Magico's, YG's, Wilson's, Cessaro's. Maggie's, and all others!!
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I dont know the price of these as I have no financial interest, but I do know that for being a relatively new company they are asking Martin Logan Neolith prices. Now they can certainly charge this as the performance is of that caliber. Unlike most panels they have dynamics and the frame is very well built. I would say if you are willing to risk it knowing the Leonardo/Alsyvox history then it would be a great alternative to Magico/Wilson/Rockport/etc camps.
For me personally, panels do still have a magic all their own. Cones have come a LONG way and have their own magic as well. But I still find Apogees to have a special place in the halls of audio...and if the Alsyvox is essentially a better, stronger version of those...then, for me, they do indeed have the ability to command competitive prices with established designers. The one yet-to-be-proven element is reliability and servicing. If they cover that, good to go!
For me planar magnetic speakers represent the absolute pinnacle of sound reproduction.
They are not necessarily the most euphonic of beasts. But in terms of what the can reveal of the input signal they have no peer.
People think electrostatics are transparent. But they are not as resolving as a good full range planar magnetic. To think or say so in my mind is mistaken.
I like this range of speakers because it is a serious attempt at doing the best that can be done.
But it comes at a high price. High efficiency is expensive in terms of high power magnets. It's cheaper to use a high power amp than design for a pussy powered speaker.
Higher quality Apogees can and are being built. Mine are soon to get another change. I won't say upgrade until I have heard the results. But it is something I have pushed for and in terms of durability (and hence longevity), rigidity, resistance to climate (humidity mainly) but mainly precision it is a step forward.
Accuracy of manufacture/tolerance is of utmost importance. These days with CNC machining available at reasonable cost there's no excuse to be inaccurate. And with large diaphragms and critical magnet to ribbon spacing it's a massively relevant factor.
Anyway, I'm just about to listen to this video on my own planar magnetics, then try the original recording. Bit of fun...
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From my standpoint owning the Botticelli's I am done searching for audio nirvana now owning these speakers. I have since began tweaking them for the best effort I can afford to get the most from them. An example, I was able to find a nice pair of Concert Fidelity ZL120SE amps. Alsyvox will work with many choices since power is less important than speed and refinement.
Next I have moved to the Furutech GTX R NCF receptacles and little tweaks. These speakers respond to every move. Once you own them you realize how inferior a lot of my efforts were that come before them and they were good past attempts. I will say they have been more than worth it to me and I have lost any interest in ever looking elsewhere......Axpona does not even interest me as I don't think it gets any better. What kind of satisfaction that means to you only you know the answer.
For those going to Munich Daniele will have the two-panel models there and plans on the Botticelli showing at the Denver show in September depending on if he can source the room of desire. Of course I want to see Alsyvox be successful as I truly feel it is a breakthrough product not many designs can match.
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Hi gwalt,
I am very happy and excited for you that you are loving the speakers!
Just out of curiosity would you ever consider adding subwoofers to your system, bringing the subwoofers up underneath the full range speakers?
I am very happy and excited for you that you are loving the speakers!
Just out of curiosity would you ever consider adding subwoofers to your system, bringing the subwoofers up underneath the full range speakers?
Ron,
No would not ever consider adding a subwoofer to these. I have no way to measure them but the can easily go as low as I require. I believe they match the 22 hz rating.
I just had a friend and potential buyer of interest here and he was amazed at the bass. My advice is the only need for a sub. would be in a room oversized for the speaker and would be concerned it would not be able to keep with the speed and integration of these as they are fast. My suggestion is make the effort to go listen and be the judge yourself but I would never attempt changing the coherence and integration these provide to the music.
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Does anyone know if the Botticelli will be at AXPONA? These are among the few speakers I'm hoping to hear (including Vox Palladian, Alexx).
I heard the Botticelli at Munich last year. They were in a BIG room and sounded superb to my ears. Very fast, delicate and great timbre. The bass went low but was not so powerful. But the room was huge, way bigger than any domestic situation, as it was in the Marriot Hotel venue. So in a 'normal' room these should rock. I guess you need SS amps for them as the impedance curve is a bit severe? Pity, tubes driving these could be something...
Marc, I don’t dispute for one second that they may have had the best bass you have ever heard in a home system.
I love Apogees. But I would be curious to see a frequency response chart showing Duetta output below 30Hz.
As a “planar person” I am perfectly happy to make the argument that “dynamic driver people” make that hearing the frequency is not the same as hearing the frequency and feeling the frequency.
I am not disputing that speakers which reproduce 30Hz and below do not “need” subwoofers. Many speakers do not “need” higher power amplifiers, although the systems would sound more effortless and relaxed with amplifiers with greater headroom. So “need” is not the topic here.
All the big Wilson speakers go down towards 20Hz. Yet Wilson sells big subwoofers: need versus attempted perfection.
I have heard enough state-of-the-art systems that did not “need” any reinforcement below 30 Hz which nonetheless benefitted from subwoofers by creating a kind of low frequency “foundation” to the soundstage and by adding sonic (and maybe even infrasonic) spacial and acoustic venue cues which added to the realism of the listening experience.
But I will advance your argument for you and suggest that it is difficult at best to achieve this additional layer of realism by grafting an external subwoofer system onto full range speakers. The result might not be worth the cost and effort.
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My Dear Sir I Believe that the Alsyvox Tittoreto is one of the best speakers in the market regardless of price. And I will pay 50% of your airfare to come and listen to them.
Dr Vinyl
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Made in Spain! I heard the Botticelli at Munich, and was very impressed. Besides the price placement is key, they need to be well into the room, so that can have problems in a domestic setting.
Couldn’t agree more......difficult to implement - yes. The benefits are ear-opening. I have experienced it and I wouldn’t go back.
Thanks and good to know...i recall Apogee panels required space behind them. One variable to consider carefully given that the panels while thin also take up quite a lot of width. particularly the even larger Caravaggio & Michelangelo!
Maybe bigger houses only then. Even the smaller unit would need plenty of space I would say. I can't fault the build or the sound though, and they enter the planar market with not that much competition. We are taking about these in comparison to the old stalwarts, many now gone. But the sound is good enough and the appearance to bring in newbies, those audiophiles who have not considered panels before.
If they can work with SETs that would be good thing IMO. Older panels tended to have punishing impedance curves and thus sent everyone down SS amplification. Not to say about the unreliable / arching Quads.
We need some customer feedback, and more reviews to know for sure.
Silly question...when you think about what you've heard scale-wise/dynamics-wise...what would be the closest comparable in cone-terms? ie, the Botticelli is equivalent to a Wilson _____ in terms of scale/size/bass/power? (I am NOT speaking in terms of quality, nuance, detail retrieval...simply 'how big does the Botticelli play relative to a big Focal, Wilson, Rockport, YG, Magico, etc' (I appreciate it is a rough ballpark...cones at more extreme volumes are different than panels, etc)
Thanks for any guidance...just trying to understand what these panels are capable of.
Henk's grands play bigger than the biggest Wilson's, with a lot of might. Easy to go hear