American Sound AS-2000 Installations- Far East (Tango)

[Tango]

I'm not quite sure what to make of this.

I meant in a good way Ian. To me You are always honest to yourself in what you hear when there is a change in your system. Several times I read your comments questioning your own hearing especially when you haven’t absorbed the new sound for longer period of time. Is it better or is it just different or is it just psychological. We are obviously different from Bonzo who has a few hours of listening and can give rating to a gear .

Tang

 

[Tango]

Marc Gomez likes Lyra cart on his arm. So I put the Etna Mono on one of them. Who said you have to have a mono setup and use only Zero to sound excellent.




Tang

 

[bonzo75]

Actually, to compare Lyra mono, zero mono, and EMT mono, you need to have original mono recordings, which were made in the era of mono (not monos made in the era of stereo). In the 50s, and early 60s.

Since you have the EMT, you can play them through mono switch, or if you have a Miyajima step up, then use step up to play through stereo switch. Do various mono cart compares with combinations of the mono switch on and off. And compare with a stereo cart playing mono.

I haven't done these, but with an EMT phono, you can. The technical reason given on forums is that Miyajima mono has no vertical compliance and tracks horizontally while dual coil monos like Lyra which sum up have vertical compliance too. Whether the technical reason is right or not can be verified only in listening.

Michael Fremer, Art Dudley, Jacob helibrunn seem to be recommending the Miyajima mono. There is also the EMT- the older OFD 25, the newer TMD 25, and there is the Clement from France. All of these are quite low priced. One day I would like to try out all.

 

[Tango]

Actually, to compare Lyra mono, zero mono, and EMT mono, you need to have original mono recordings, which were made in the era of mono (not monos made in the era of stereo). In the 50s, especially early 50s.

Since you have the EMT, you can play them through mono switch, or if you have a Miyajima step up, then use step up to play through stereo switch. Do various mono cart compares with combinations of the mono switch on and off. And compare with a stereo cart playing mono.

I haven't done these, but with an EMT phono, you can. The technical reason given on forums is that Miyajima mono has no vertical compliance and tracks horizontally while dual coil monos like Lyra which sum up have vertical compliance too. Whether the technical reason is right or not can be verified only in listening.

Michael Fremer, Art Dudley, Jacob helibrunn seem to be recommending the Miyajima mono. There is also the EMT- the older OFD 25, the newer TMD 25, and there is the Clement from France. All of these are quite low priced. One day I would like to try out all.

You give me a headache.

 

[XV-1]

You give me a headache.

Lol

 

[Lagonda]

Lol

+1

 

[ack]

Marc Gomez likes Lyra cart on his arm. So I put the Etna Mono on one of them. Who said you have to have a mono setup and use only Zero to sound excellent.

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Tang

Tang, which leather mat is that on top of the platter?

 

[ddk]

Actually, to compare Lyra mono, zero mono, and EMT mono, you need to have original mono recordings, which were made in the era of mono (not monos made in the era of stereo). In the 50s, and early 60s.

Since you have the EMT, you can play them through mono switch, or if you have a Miyajima step up, then use step up to play through stereo switch. Do various mono cart compares with combinations of the mono switch on and off. And compare with a stereo cart playing mono.

I haven't done these, but with an EMT phono, you can. The technical reason given on forums is that Miyajima mono has no vertical compliance and tracks horizontally while dual coil monos like Lyra which sum up have vertical compliance too. Whether the technical reason is right or not can be verified only in listening.

Michael Fremer, Art Dudley, Jacob helibrunn seem to be recommending the Miyajima mono. There is also the EMT- the older OFD 25, the newer TMD 25, and there is the Clement from France. All of these are quite low priced. One day I would like to try out all.

The Miyajima is excellent as are all the other ones you mention, the Ortofon mono SPUs sound fantastic too for a nominal investment. I understand the technical reasons for using a pure mono cartridge but in practice the dual coil monos also deliver the goods, in fact they’re mostly hindered by the playback chain rather than any technical disadvantage.

david

 

[bonzo75]

The Miyajima is excellent as are all the other ones you mention, the Ortofon mono SPUs sound fantastic too for a nominal investment. I understand the technical reasons for using a pure mono cartridge but in practice the dual coil monos also deliver the goods, in fact they’re mostly hindered by the playback chain rather than any technical disadvantage.

david

Thanks, is that even with old recordings - the logic for the horizontal only compliance ones is that they are quieter (something needed for older recordings)..

A record collector who recently sold off his stereo recordings was recommending vintage ortofon mono with type A and G headshells... never tried.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Thanks, is that even with old recordings - the logic for the horizontal only compliance ones is that they are quieter (something needed for older recordings)..

A record collector who recently sold off his stereo recordings was recommending vintage ortofon mono with type A and G headshells... never tried.

the Miyajima Premium Be mono I have certainly bypasses pressing noise my stereo carts pick up. some pretty hammered looking old mono Lps many times shine on the Miyajima when I did not expect it. I only have about 350-400 vintage mono pressings, but I see this a lot.

 

[ddk]

Thanks, is that even with old recordings - the logic for the horizontal only compliance ones is that they are quieter (something needed for older recordings)..

A record collector who recently sold off his stereo recordings was recommending vintage ortofon mono with type A and G headshells... never tried.

I have mostly vintage mono pressings very few new ones. The vintage Ortofons are great, in mono or stereo !

We have to define this noise and what does quieter mean, is there audible noise that they’re hearing? Are we including shellac?

david

 

[ddk]

the Miyajima Premium Be mono I have certainly bypasses pressing noise my stereo carts pick up. some pretty hammered looking old mono Lps many times shine on the Miyajima when I did not expect it. I only have about 350-400 vintage mono pressings, but I see this a lot.

Lucky! Getting harder to find monos these days.
david

 

[marty]

Tang, I don't think we've ever seen that view before. For goodness sake man, now it's obvious there's space for another turntable! What's holding you back? Why stop at 4? Seems you need a nice straight arm to round out the collection!!

 

[bonzo75]

I have mostly vintage mono pressings very few new ones. The vintage Ortofons are great, in mono or stereo !

We have to define this noise and what does quieter mean, is there audible noise that they’re hearing? Are we including shellac?

david

Audible noise due to recordings being beaten up. No shellac. Guess you will need the EMT ofd 65 for that one

 

[cjfrbw]

Tang, I don't think we've ever seen that view before. For goodness sake man, now it's obvious there's space for another turntable! What's holding you back? Why stop at 4? Seems you need a nice straight arm to round out the collection!!

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Yes, Tang, you don't want to be a slacker.

 

[bonzo75]

Tang, I don't think we've ever seen that view before. For goodness sake man, now it's obvious there's space for another turntable! What's holding you back? Why stop at 4? Seems you need a nice straight arm to round out the collection!!

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Lol awesome putting that thing in

 

[ddk]

Audible noise due to recordings being beaten up. No shellac. Guess you will need the EMT ofd 65 for that one

Because the noise in shellac has to do with the fillers they used too.

Hard to know Ked I guess it depends on how beat up the record is. I can’t say if a pure mono design is advantageous or not all I can tell you is that the Miyajima is fantastic and I enjoy a bunch of others too.

david

 

[bonzo75]

Because the noise in shellac has to do with the fillers they used too.

Hard to know Ked I guess it depends on how beat up the record is. I can’t say if a pure mono design is advantageous or not all I can tell you is that the Miyajima is fantastic and I enjoy a bunch of others too.

david

The lamm has a mono switch? And does LP2 have it too?

 

[ddk]

The lamm has a mono switch? And does LP2 have it too?

No, they don’t.
david

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Lucky! Getting harder to find monos these days.
david

10 years ago I lucked into a collection with many of these, particularly the classical ones. most of the jazz mono's I purchased individually.

I was disappointed looking that collection over with these older pressings, then on the cleaning and playing I was pleasantly surprised. I became bolder on buying marginal looking Jazz mono pressings as mostly they turned out acceptable with the Miyajima mono. sometimes the seller rated it as noisy, but it was not.

probably not bought any for 7-8 years now.