I’m glad this thread is getting back to the original topic and I am sorry you find it boring. Many of the American Sound AS 2000 turntable owners have multiple turntables in their collections. Just ask them which one they listen to and why. I don’t think it’s about sonic flavors but rather the way it presents the music on a variety of recordings.
American Sound AS-2000 Installations- Far East (Tango)
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I agree, they are balanced and no frequency is sticking out, but compared to my other cable they lack "colors".
To me "colors" are very different from "coloration".
If you imagine one painting with a "firework" of colors and nuances and compare it to the one with soft pastel tones of limited spectrum- not one color sticks out, there are just a very few of them present.
Another way I can think of it, is that Gotham tones down the "natural" wealth of audio palette, but does it in equally balanced manner across the whole frequency spectrum.
"No frequency sticking out" does not equal "natural", as it lacks the full palette of colors and details we hear with a better cables, or live music. Sorry for using the controversial term "natural" again.
And BTW, I felt the same way about Ching Cheng PCs as well.
I always have a feeling reading about DDK, Tang and your systems, that the systems themselves are so good, that the minor "reductions" of CC cables do not diminish them in any meaningful way, preserving the "natural" balance at the same time.
I frequently listen to another DDK-curated system at my friend's house who is also using CC and I can definitely conclude that that system is of the highest order and is truly outstanding. I highly doubt that the credit should be necessarily given to CC cables in that instance.
I think I know what you are referring to because I hear a lot of tonal colour in the Duelands I made up / own.
Now we are on the same page. Having said that, I don't know how "balanced" Duelund cables are. I guess it's affected to a significant degree by connectors used.
VH Audio DIY cable gives me a feeling of being pretty balanced, detailed and full of color at the same time
I would describe them as “pretty” or “juicy” and beautifying a little bit, which is all good. If you add a shield to them to improve noise they lose some of these qualities alas.
Maril, I do not know that much about it. I compared the CC to stock and to audiophile in other systems and preferred the CC. I have not done comparisons in my new system. Balance is a key quality for a natural sounding system. The CC enabled my old system and now my new one to sound more natural. I have learned that power cords can matter a lot. Compared to wires that enhance, to some CC might sound dull and lack excitement or color. I like them because they do not distract from the music.
CC or any other industrial power cord with minimal sonic signature is the starting point and in many ways the foundation for a natural sound and realism of a system. You build a system up & out, so every level is dependent on the previous and you have to fix or mask what went on before if it's interfering with the current level's progress, but often you're limited with solutions that aren't ideal. Similar to what you deal with at your work, dealing with the past and trying to find the way forward. The more compromised the past the more difficult and compromised the way forward, no different from building a system. CC is what I experimented with and liked you can do your own research and find something else if you prefer. What's good about CC is that these days they allow you to design your own cords for a few bucks or given their market presence buy something and try it out.
david
This is an interesting comment. Somehow the "highest order" was achieved with 'boring' cables.
Btw @Maril555 Your system, as described in your signature, seems like the bees knees to me. So I am in no way knocking your perspectives.
Never heard it sound like metal. Also I use SS platter mat and never hear a metalic sound.
Ever noticed the different sound characters between a stainless steel platter and an aluminum one? There is a difference. I prefer the later.
But that's all catergories of taste and therefore highly subjective. But if you've never noticed differences, its not worth to talk about. Many people notice the smallest differences in audio cables but never noticed other differences. Thats OK, it's just a hobby, it should be fun. All I can say is, that your music on the videos have that metal flavour that no other plinth or platter would have. Sounds very hard, hard in the way it means its a dead, hard material.
The materials being used do reflect the waves from the record in different ways. Just a theory, but it works well to explain sound differences with different materials used.
The harder the materials, the harder the sound. If you put the record directly on the platter, the sound becomes even harder. By using a soft platter mat, the sound becomes softer. Thats the basics everyone knows and should know. Its just experience, but you surely noticed that already.
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Seems this guy was not a fan
Different CC cables?
Zen wave vs...Ching Cheng..a power cable shoot out
Zen wave vs...Ching Cheng..a power cable shoot out
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Is this like your Eurodyn assessment Gina? First moment you join in to show a picture of an unrelated broken driver and claim Klangfilm drivers are fragile. Then you link a dubbed video of an incomplete speaker in a ridiculous plinth that you say heard at a show and didn’t like as proof that they don’t sound good. You now know all about a turntable that you’ve never even seen in your life no less heard. Interesting.
Men & women have different traits and interestingly you don’t sound at all like a Gina. Also interesting that Shane soooo innocently sneaks in an old post from a guy he knows we’ll, who got kicked off the forum then snuck back in pretending to be a woman and DaveC in here stroking each other making shit up. Very interesting!
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The salt in my system comes from the music I play.
David
I didn't even read who posted what as it was on my phone - but I knew they were bitching about you, so thought you would find it amusing. I certainly did.
It was a legit question actually as i know there are many different CC PC's.btw, In don't know Davey at all.
What is being denied here has been prooven to be technical correct but that was 1980 in the German audio Magazine "Hifi Exclusiv".
You must be very late or lazy or simply ignorant not to know it. I didn't told you new things here.
And please don't take arguments on a personal level.
This is just an indication for an ego Identification. Very sad.
Btw, my Name is Walter, not Gina here in this forum
You must be very late or lazy or simply ignorant not to know it. I didn't told you new things here.
And please don't take arguments on a personal level.
This is just an indication for an ego Identification. Very sad.
Btw, my Name is Walter, not Gina here in this forum
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Fair enough Shane but my comments about the two stands!David
I didn't even read who posted what as it was on my phone - but I knew they were bitching about you, so thought you would find it amusing. I certainly did.
btw, In don't know Davey at all.
It’s not the same power cord posted there. CC makes dozens of different ones as standard and many more custom ones. Most high end manufacturers use their cords as standard. It’s a big company,
david
The test in the audio magazine in 1980 was called: "Does the drive of turntables affect music playback ?".
You denied this, but it has been prooven to be true. My experiences with audio are the same.
Thats why your turntable has a strong tone character and thats why every other turntable sounds different, despite what tonearm or pick up system is being used.
That's why any material choice of a turntable plinth, platter or platter bearing has great effects on the tone of this turntable.
Those who won't believe this must read. Or still ignore this. No problem for me, it just says something about your personality, not mine. I just presented facts here, very old facts indeed.
You denied this, but it has been prooven to be true. My experiences with audio are the same.
Thats why your turntable has a strong tone character and thats why every other turntable sounds different, despite what tonearm or pick up system is being used.
That's why any material choice of a turntable plinth, platter or platter bearing has great effects on the tone of this turntable.
Those who won't believe this must read. Or still ignore this. No problem for me, it just says something about your personality, not mine. I just presented facts here, very old facts indeed.
Of course it isn't. It has been a practically prooven to be a true theory. Not by myself, but by others. You maybe have to read more about this subject.
Please elaborate why some of the worst, harshest sound should be generated by softer materials.
Btw, using generalized arguments on a personal level just shows real intentions. You seem to be not interested in a technical discussion but try to discredit other members here. Not a fair behaviour.
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