Any Bergmann "Galder" owners here ?

[Corinthian]

Hello - is there any owner of Bergmann Magne? I'm considering the Magne and am interested in experiences. thanks

Not Magne, but until very recently I owned a Modi with Odin arm, which doesn't look to be dramatically different?

For what it's worth, I absolutely loved my Modi and though that it was excellent! Everything about it, from the solid, simple, elegant, and slightly brutalist minimalism of the design, through to the precision and solid quality of the manufacturing, the wizardry and engineering behind the airbearing platter and tonearm, and of course, the audio performance. I don't claim to be any sort of super experienced vinylista, but I thought that my Modi/Odin combo sounded very good, and it was certainly a very big step up from the Oracle Paris that I owned previously (although I thought that too was very good at its relative price point).

I am a big fan of bergmann and would recommend the turntables without hesitation. In fact, the only reason that I moved on from Modi was that I made the jump to a Galder Signature - I'm really very pleased with that!

 

[parnass]

thank you for the reference - one more question is there any reason to worry about any parts failure or any inconvenience with the air pump ?

 

[Corinthian]

thank you for the reference - one more question is there any reason to worry about any parts failure or any inconvenience with the air pump ?

I think that bergmann products are very solidly made, so presumably any failures are more likely to be with the power supply/air pump box (although this is pure speculation and it never crossed my mind that this was likely) - perhaps Philip O Hanlon or another dealer could give you some insight regarding failures or returns under warranty. Certainly, my experience has been that the product was faultless, and the box that houses the power supply and air pump/vacuum is also very quiet - you won't notice it. It doesn't worry me when i think into the future regarding parts, but obviously, worry and risk are personal and rather subjective!

Have you physically seen a bergmann table and listened to one yet? If not, try and get a demo, and hopefully you'll be impressed too!

 

[parnass]

I have one more question - I decided to buy a Bargmann Modi (but I'm considering whether Thor or Odin) what would speak in a hurry Odin (is the price difference somehow justified?)

 

[Corinthian]

I have one more question - I decided to buy a Bargmann Modi (but I'm considering whether Thor or Odin) what would speak in a hurry Odin (is the price difference somehow justified?)

Excellent - I hope that you're just as pleased with yours as I have been mine! That's tricky regarding the difference between Odin and Thor as I have only seen and heard Odin tonearms, on Modi, Galder, and Galder Signature turntables. Looking on the bergmann website there doesn't appear to be a vast difference between Odin and Thor, although I'm happy to be corrected by someone knowledgable. They both use the same air supplies and have very similar construction, it looks like azimuth and perhaps VTA adjustment might be slightly different, although once mine was set up I never touched it. Perhaps there are slight differences in the materials used, or that Odin is more rigid than Thor. I'm not sure. Certainly, Thor seems to be the most commonly shipped partner to Modi. The reason I bought Odin rather than Thor to partner my Modi is not very impressive or clever, I wanted to get the most out of my cartridge and was led to believe that a 'better' tonearm was the way to go in that regard. It certainly sounded good to my ears though and I don't regret the decision.

Here's a photo of my Modi when I got it, I should also get around to posting up some photos of my new Galder Signature at some point too.

 

[parnass]

Excellent - I hope that you're just as pleased with yours as I have been mine! That's tricky regarding the difference between Odin and Thor as I have only seen and heard Odin tonearms, on Modi, Galder, and Galder Signature turntables. Looking on the bergmann website there doesn't appear to be a vast difference between Odin and Thor, although I'm happy to be corrected by someone knowledgable. They both use the same air supplies and have very similar construction, it looks like azimuth and perhaps VTA adjustment might be slightly different, although once mine was set up I never touched it. Perhaps there are slight differences in the materials used, or that Odin is more rigid than Thor. I'm not sure. Certainly, Thor seems to be the most commonly shipped partner to Modi. The reason I bought Odin rather than Thor to partner my Modi is not very impressive or clever, I wanted to get the most out of my cartridge and was led to believe that a 'better' tonearm was the way to go in that regard. It certainly sounded good to my ears though and I don't regret the decision.

Here's a photo of my Modi when I got it, I should also get around to posting up some photos of my new Galder Signature at some point too.

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thank you, i think i will do the same, although it will be a very tight budget for me. my modi should arrive in about 2 months, when i have it i will post a pic. until then i will be grateful for any advice and references.

 

[Urbinator]

Hi guys, great reading.
I am curious about your suggestions. I own the Bergmann Galder with the Bergman Thor arm. I have done so for around six months, and it is used daily. The main reason for the Thor was that the Headshell is flat, which works with my Ortofon Jubilee cartridge. However, Mr Bergmann recently informed me that he could manufacture the Odin with a flat headshell. It's something I may pursue later.
I am after changing my cartridge, which has done me for 15 years and rebuilt twice (new innards). I am looking at Lyra as a contender but unsure if they would work well with the Thor arm. The budget would be up to £5k. The issue I have is being able to try any combination. I am based in the UK; my primary Dealer is Nintronics. Should I be looking at Lyra, or is there something more suitable? I have no specific taste in music, so I will need to be a good all-rounder.

the rest of the system consists of Mola Mola:- Makua preamp with phono and tambaqui boards. Kula Monoblocks. TAD CE1 standmounts. Loom is Jorma Design Unity cables and power chords. Atlas Arran custom-built balanced phono cable.

 

[gian60]

My friend has Galder with Odin and Lyra Lambda Sl,and this combo is very good and Lyra is a good match with odin.
I had some years ago Snider with Atlas SL and also here was a very good matches if you like Lyra no problem

 

[Corinthian]

I'm also in the UK, and my Galder signature and Odin also came from Nintronics - I absolutely love Bergmann products and was fortunate enough to have Johnnie himself come and set my turntable up at home! It is paired with a Hanna Umami red cartridge, which comes in well under 5k and I bought blind having read so many glowing reviews. A bit of a risk but I think it sounds very decent indeed and I listen to all sorts of music, although mainly blues and rock.

I haven't heard Lyra but from what I read, yours should sound excellent. Have you considered adding another arm and a completely different type/style of cartridge? Perhaps the custom Odin and Lyra, then a completely different arm and cartridge combo?

There seem to be so many really very good cartridges available that we're spoiled for choice, but I find it difficult to pick between them, especially as it's so difficult to demo a selection. Just reading this forum gives me too many ideas for what. I would like to listen to or try next

 

[Argonaut]

The budget would be up to £5k. The issue I have is being able to try any combination. I am based in the UK; my primary Dealer is Nintronics. Should I be looking at Lyra, or is there something more suitable? I have no specific taste in music, so I will need to be a good all-rounder.

Altho not showing in their current product portfolio perhaps enquire with Roger whether he might be able to arrange a good deal for a TopWing Red Sparrow , or if too much of a stretch the Blue Dragon .

 

[Urbinator]

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I've been digging around; 108CY has suggested a more "full-bodied" cartridge would suit a linear arm and has suggested Etsuro. My main worry, though, is that I am using an active phono stage rather than an SUT, so low-output cartridges may not be suitable. The Jubilee is 0.34mv. I have on loan the Hanna Umami Blue, which I am breaking in before any serious listening, but so far, it seems pretty good.

TopWing has an even lower output, so matching up with the right SUT would put it pretty much out of my range.

 

[parnass]

modi - finally at home

 

[Corinthian]

modi - finally at home

Looks fantastic too! Love the black. Such a simple and elegant design. I went for the matt sliver alu/black for my Modi, but yours looks really nice in black/black, thank you for sharing a photo. Are you pleased with it? Hopefully you like it as much as I did mine - great bits of kit IMO. Out of interest, what record weight are you using there? Presumably you didn't get one with the turntable? I didn't with mine.

 

[parnass]

the record weight is the original one supplied with the turntable... so far I've had the turntable only a few days, so I haven't made any "improvements" ... the only thing I'm considering is whether to replace the original slipmat ... if anyone has experience and can advise what slipmat to buy, I'd be glad for a recommendation...

Looks fantastic too! Love the black. Such a simple and elegant design. I went for the matt sliver alu/black for my Modi, but yours looks really nice in black/black, thank you for sharing a photo. Are you pleased with it? Hopefully you like it as much as I did mine - great bits of kit IMO. Out of interest, what record weight are you using there? Presumably you didn't get one with the turntable? I didn't with mine.

 

[Corinthian]

the record weight is the original one supplied with the turntable... so far I've had the turntable only a few days, so I haven't made any "improvements" ... the only thing I'm considering is whether to replace the original slipmat ... if anyone has experience and can advise what slipmat to buy, I'd be glad for a recommendation...

It's good that the Modi is shipping with a record weight now. Mine definitely didn't have one and I felt that it was a bit of an oversight and really should be supplied with one. Slipmats, I tried the thin neoprene type one that it came with, then felt (which was fine), then cork (as can be seen in my photo above as I wanted to try different materials out). Personally, I didn't hear any difference between mats on my system, (but you may on yours?) although the supplied one wasn't great (too thin and flimsy) and aesthetically, I preferred the look of the cork.

 

[crosswind]

I had great results when changing the original feet on my Modi to Galder feet. I was not prepared for the improvement that would make. At first, everything sounded, or appeared, a tad more bright (not something I enjoy) but I quickly realized that it was not brightness I heard, but lack of vibrations and resonances that came with the original feet. The Galder feet as an upgrade on Modi is very well worth the money in my opinion.

Picture of the process of changing feet.

 

[Urbinator]

I am impressed with the Galder and how isolated it is, a big part of which is down to the feet, plus the overall mass of 38kg! I think I could improve even more, though, with even better isolation, which I will do further down the line. Did Johnnie send you the feet directly?

 

[crosswind]

No I got them from the norwegian dealer and not from Bergmann directly.

 

[Lagonda]

No I got them from the norwegian dealer and not from Bergmann directly.

Nordmand, how do you like the Grand Cru Elite in your system, how does it compare to the DAVA ?

 

[crosswind]

Nordmand, how do you like the Grand Cru Elite in your system, how does it compare to the DAVA ?

I’m a swede born not far from Copenhagen moving to Norway a long time ago actually

They are (obviously) not in the same arm, Elite in linear tracker Odin and DaVa in FR64s, but the both go in to the same phono, the Lampi MC2 silver, using the same internal stepups (and the rest of the chain identical).

The Elite is more refined, more detailed, layered and smooth. The DaVa being maybe more fullbodied but without the refinement of the Elite. Both feels fullbodied and dynamic. They both present similar depth, with and height. I enjoy the Elite over the Stradivarius and standard Grand Cru I used to have. The Elite is also made upon specification to fit the Odin and Reed 3P effective mass. I also had the Elite made so it better fits the Reed. It was hard to get correct VTA given the shallow cantlilever angle before it was upgraded from G.C to Elite. No it’s easy.