Apogee Diva with Infinite Baffle
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Ked I truly don't think you realise how your posts read to people with some understanding of audio engineering. You think you are an Apogee expert yet actually you haven't got much of a clue technically. You also have not heard a lot of the options I have tried, and your claim you have been recommending Luxman to me for the last three years is a lie. So far all I have ever known about it is a WhatsApp message from 2 years ago about one sentence long.
Of the three solid state amps in my house at the moment, the Luxman is the least powerful. Yet it is the best.
Also, at low volume, you have the most headroom, so where does the logic that I listen so loud because of lack of headroom come from? Answer it doesn't. It's an idiotic claim.
FYI low volume performance is very good. And usually when the wife is in bed I listen to them at low volume for long periods of time. And it is you that sits there with the volume cranked up listening to classical music. I'm not saying I don't usually demo them loud, I do, but they are also very good at lower volume. Much better than any Martin Logan I have owned, for instance
I also find your continued insistence that Henk's Duettas are somehow miraculously better to be a bit of a joke. By your own admission, Jon's are better made than the ones you have seen made by Henk. Just what is this mystical property you claim Henk's Duettas have that mine don't? Just like Jon, Henk is capable of making an average Duetta or a really seriously good one, in my opinion. I wonder if you have ever seen Henk's best effort..
Also what's this about my preamp being from decades ago? It isn't. I preferred it to an EAR 868PL, for instance, by a margin. It is just more lively and engaging.
I also never tried my old Air Tight ATM2 on Apogees, Just the Air Tight passive pre. The Ayon's were not silly and they were yours anyway. They were fine on the four Ohm taps in pentode mode. They just shutdown in triode mode on the four or eight Ohm taps.
Just where is this supply of cheap used Luxman M-900U's? The answer is it doesn't exist.
Luxman is about the most scammed manufacturer I have seen recently. When I bought the M-800a, there were three scams running simultaneously using the same auction pictures, all at stupidly low prices.
Sorry Justin, there are many other texts. There are my posts all over this forum. Just search m900u.
I have also compared m800a to Ypsilon hybrids and Joel's and found it better.
The fact that you don't like me saying it is another think. The whatsapp is just one data point coz you said it never happened.
Comparing a preamp to Ear 868 is not really a valid data point at least in my book. Might be in yours.
Yes, I agree Jon's have excellent build quality.
The thing is you are not interested in listening to other apogees. Your hobby is following your own projects. Your apogee is your project. As is buying a used Accuphase from 50 years ago and upgrading it. The fact that it does not sound good on apogees does not mean power does not sound good. Get some serious amps - get a Krell FPB 750, Dagostino, Symphonic Line, and then let me know. All are available in the UK to demo.
I have also compared m800a to Ypsilon hybrids and Joel's and found it better.
The fact that you don't like me saying it is another think. The whatsapp is just one data point coz you said it never happened.
Comparing a preamp to Ear 868 is not really a valid data point at least in my book. Might be in yours.
Yes, I agree Jon's have excellent build quality.
The thing is you are not interested in listening to other apogees. Your hobby is following your own projects. Your apogee is your project. As is buying a used Accuphase from 50 years ago and upgrading it. The fact that it does not sound good on apogees does not mean power does not sound good. Get some serious amps - get a Krell FPB 750, Dagostino, Symphonic Line, and then let me know. All are available in the UK to demo.
If you keep a watch out they occasionally turn up. Also as I said the retail for them is ridculously low in HK. It is high in the US and midway in EU
Another sample of my Lux post on an apogee thread https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...re-builder-restorer.21094/page-30#post-409059
Sent you another whatsapp text from a month before the last.
You can snarl and spit that I say you are not optimizing your set up, but I am out of this discussion since you have nothing better to do than insult instead of appreciating that there are apogees out there that sound better than yours that you have zero interest in investigating.
There is no expertise required except listening to different set ups. Listening is not hard. Having an open mind and not being stubborn about one's own system is.
Sent you another whatsapp text from a month before the last.
You can snarl and spit that I say you are not optimizing your set up, but I am out of this discussion since you have nothing better to do than insult instead of appreciating that there are apogees out there that sound better than yours that you have zero interest in investigating.
There is no expertise required except listening to different set ups. Listening is not hard. Having an open mind and not being stubborn about one's own system is.
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I've just followed that link and all you are doing is talking to microstrip about class A. How is that a Luxman recommendation?
If there weren't better Apogees than mine out there I'd be disappointed. In what way have I ever claimed mine are the best?
You say I am insulting you but your comments are such utter pap they are an insult in themselves. I am am not insulting you I am just trying to make you realise you don't know what you are talking about. Which of course is an indirect insult, necessary I am afraid to make you realise.
You won't, of course, realise it. Your ego is too monumental to allow that to happen
Incorrect again. The M-60s are 100% original, I have not touched them.
I think they sound pretty good and definitely so compared to quite a few other solid state amps, even contemporary ones they will lick in a lot of cases. Not M-800a territory, though.
And why are you knocking old equipment? The M-60s are classic amps actually well reviewed by Tone mag.
You like vintage Tannoys (on my recommendation to go see Tom and that is real) and spend more time at Munich in the WE room than just about anywhere else. You claim you like the Radord STA-25 on them. How old is that?
No the Radford wasn't good. I preferred silvercore and KR much more, and the lux in another system. I heard the Radford 25 in two, and the 100 as well.
That accuphase, new or old, is not a good amp. That's what I think. Your valve amp, the parasound, were all better than that. The parasound showed what good drive and power can do to the apogees but lacked the finesse and tone associated with the better SS amps.
There is no ego. Just listening. I kept knocking apogees down, till I heard them with the right amps, and then love them. That's how it is
To the OP: Congratulations on getting Divas! I have Divas and Full Ranges. I wanted to make sure you saw the following post to avoid a pitfall that happens to many Apogee users. Enjoy.
https://whatsbestforum.com/threads/apogee-full-range.19104/page-36#post-498198
https://whatsbestforum.com/threads/apogee-full-range.19104/page-36#post-498198
Hi Brian
Nice to see you here as well
Pity the (newer) old Apogee Forum is de facto dead
That is a pity (for us old Apogee devotees) but I certainly understand your position
The more I would like to thank your for your elaborate how-to check the polarities of especially the 3-way Apogees. I just re-read it and it is certainly VERY helpful
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