Audio Critique

[Amir]

System Break-in :

I think 300 hours is average time for most audio equipments . In break-in process Some believes we should not play non-stop 300 hours and we should turn off audio system (for 3 hours cool down) every 24 hours. It seems the warm-up / cool down process every 24 hours is better than non-stop playing .

Gordon Rankin told me :
"IF you keep the unit running continously these parts will not break in at all, but will tend to move to one place. That is not the place you want them to be at. By doing the continuous thing you will not break in the device at all. It may actually take months before you get the unit correct if you do this at first.

Therefore…….. just use the damn thing as you would normally with the unit run randomly and it will reach the first break in stage at about 40-50 hours."

 

[Amir]

I have wrote about necessary conditions of audio system for right Audio judgment in this topic and now it is the time to write about Audiophiles (listeners) and the right method of judgment.

 

[PYP]

I have wrote about necessary conditions of audio system for right Audio judgment in this topic and now it is the time to write about Audiophiles (listeners) and the right method of judgment.

And so it begins...

 

[PeterA]

I have wrote about necessary conditions of audio system for right Audio judgment in this topic and now it is the time to write about Audiophiles (listeners) and the right method of judgment.

Amir, I look forward to reading what you have to write.

 

[bonzo75]

and now it is the time to write about the right method of judgment.

Said no one before.

The last time this epiphany happened was when a young Eddie van halen erupted into the scene and taught all lead guitarists a new/right (?) way to play the solo.

 

[Amir]

Amir, I look forward to reading what you have to write.

Thank you Peter, I will write as soon as possible.

 

[Amir]

Some notes from

Karen Sumner​

https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/how-hi-fi-has-become-a-standard-unto-itself.33565/

more topics from Karen Sumner :
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/forums/karen-sumner-talks-audio-and-music.405/

 

[Amir]

I should ask Romy to excuse me because Romy the Cat never interested to publish the links of his website in other forums but I think his wonderful website should be read :

http://goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=33

 

[Argonaut]

Oooogh , Lets take a wild guess who is next up on stage !

 

[bonzo75]

Oooogh , Lets take a wild guess who is next up on stage !

Johnny the Shoeshine guy - he knows everything and was used for audio set up before google was invented

 

[PeterA]

Romy the Cat and David Karmeli go way back. David introduced me to Romy a couple years ago and we spent a delightful day together listening to Bruckner and eating the delicious lunch Romy prepared for us.

His system was pretty interesting. Five or six way horn system with large subwoofers in the ceiling and a Micro Seiki 8000 turntable. A great record collection. They both have large personalities and are complete opposites in many ways. David‘s nickname for Romy would be instantly banned on this site, but it’s pretty funny. Such colorful characters who have interesting ideas about the hobby.

David knows a lot about audio set up. Let’s see what Amir writes. This post will surely cause some giggling on the moon.

 

[Amir]

Dear Peter thank you very much

I never met Romy but I have read his website since 2009 , very high level of audio thinking and very useful information

 

[Amir]

Two questions come to my mind when I think about audiophiles reaction to the sound.

1- does “good/better sound” exist in absolute term?

2- what is the relation of “good/better sound” with “music listening experience” ?

 

[Amir]

Question one,
1- does “good/better sound” exist in absolute term?

I think yes, the better sound exist in absolute term and different taste/ideas all come from different experience/knowledge level of audiophiles.

Question two,
2- what is the relation of “good/better sound” with “music listening experience” ?

Most of the time I think the better sound has no relation to better music listening experience but this relationship is very complex.

 

[tima]

Two questions come to my mind when I think about audiophiles reaction to the sound.

1- does “good/better sound” exist in absolute term?

2- what is the relation of “good/better sound” with “music listening experience” ?

If you mean by absolute terms 'objectively', that is measurable or knowable independent of human experience, then I don't think so. The aesthetic of sound is a product of human judgement.

Imo, the better sound music listening experience comes from live music although some here believe their stereos can sound better than live.

Most of the time I think the better sound has no relation to better music listening experience but this relationship is very complex.

Audiophiles often split sound from music then seek to put them back together.

 

[Amir]

I do not mean ‘objectively’, what I mean is all about subjective listening experience.

 

[Amir]

most audiophiles method for audio judgment is “I like/prefer it so it is better” , it means most audiophiles listen to sound of A vs B and focus on which is their favorite, if they prefer A then they think A is better.

 

[Amir]

The method of “I like A more than B so A is better” should be replace by a right method.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Two questions come to my mind when I think about audiophiles reaction to the sound.

1- does “good/better sound” exist in absolute term?

2- what is the relation of “good/better sound” with “music listening experience” ?

Better sound / better listening expirience is simple .... remove reviewers opinions from the equasion entirely

Accept its a subjective hobby .

 

[PYP]

Question two,
2- what is the relation of “good/better sound” with “music listening experience” ?

Most of the time I think the better sound has no relation to better music listening experience but this relationship is very complex.

Since I'm sensitive to HF being "off" or any frequencies "sticking out" from what is "natural," if these are not present it is likely that I will be pulled into the music. Perhaps it is just a matter of lowering distortion to a threshold beyond which I am no longer distracted by the gear. Music emerges, not sound per se. If that makes sense...