Breaking the $30k threshold: REVIEW New Reference Network Streamer Server for $15k

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I think if you grew around CD playback, you might as an audiophile feel that it takes 25-30 years for the technology to mature.
I used vinyl from the mid 1970s until 1984, fairly swiftly abandoned vinyl for CD and I don’t think I played another record after buying a really nice Marantz CD player in 1990. I had one further change of CD player in 1999 until abandoning CD in 2010, so for me the entire life cycle of CD was 26 years, and it was mature after 6 years. The earliest CD players had jitter issues, which was solved fairly quickly.

A very recent TAS review used this same description. I don't experience this at home, but I have found it true that streaming takes extra care to eliminate what may be multiple sources of noise. Since these don't seem to be measurable yet (John Swenson has stated measuring would require a hefty investment in equipment and time), we experiment to find the right blend of "solutions." Given all networks are different, the specifics of the solutions are different and can range from adding an LPS to a router, to multiple active and passive filtering devices. It is rather confusing.

But, when noise reduction reaches a certain point, streaming is very musical. Since digital, vinyl and tape all have different distortion profiles (there must be better terminology), they will not and cannot sound the same. But, presumably, significantly reducing the noise and other issues inherent in each format will yield a musical presentation. Preferences for a particular distortion profile continue for each listener, thus What's Best differs.
I messed around with various linear power supplies on switches etc from 2010 to 2015, and then basically went to the configuration shown at post 5 above with everything connected to a switch and then fibre-optic to the stereo. I remember this specifically because I read an article in 2015 and bought a Cisco 2960 on eBay for about $60.

I did a house rebuild and rewire in 2021 and there is a lot of home automation, but still basically have one central switch and everything plugged into it, all powered from a battery universal power supply, which costs about $150. The Ubiquiti managed switch is about $350.The two audio components (a music server and my streamer) are on a dedicated VLAN. I have to use a FMC because my streamer does not have a SFP socket, but the FMC is powered by a 9v battery supply. So the noise reduction is basically 100% because the connection from the main switch and the streamer is fibre with no AC connection at all.

I stick with Innuos because they have extremely good power supplies, have an ethos of very low noise processing, have an excellent USB module and a more recent development is their superb Sense application.

Getting noise levels low or non-existent really does help digital audio and using a DAC with one of the lowest measuring noise floors also helps. What helps the entire audio system is a completely new electricity installation, I have three 100A supplies coming into the house and one is completely dedicated to the audio. I had to do this installation because of the building work and the existing wiring was unsafe. The audiophile elements were about $500 of mains cable and a Furutech wall plate that I’ve had for about 15 years.

I have no IT skills, I took this approach based on simple advice online 10 years ago, it works and it doesn’t cost much money.
 
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I used vinyl from the mid 1970s until 1984, fairly swiftly abandoned vinyl for CD and I don’t think I played another record after buying a really nice Marantz CD player in 1990. I had one further change of CD player in 1999 until abandoning CD in 2010, so for me the entire life cycle of CD was 26 years, and it was mature after 6 years. The earliest CD players had jitter issues, which was solved fairly quickly.


I messed around with various linear power supplies on switches etc from 2010 to 2015, and then basically went to the configuration shown at post 5 above with everything connected to a switch and then fibre-optic to the stereo. I remember this specifically because I read an article in 2015 and bought a Cisco 2960 on eBay for about $60.

I did a house rebuild and rewire in 2021 and there is a lot of home automation, but still basically have one central switch and everything plugged into it, all powered from a battery universal power supply, which costs about $150. The Ubiquiti managed switch is about $350.The two audio components (a music server and my streamer) are on a dedicated VLAN. I have to use a FMC because my streamer does not have a SFP socket, but the FMC is powered by a 9v battery supply. So the noise reduction is basically 100% because the connection from the main switch and the streamer is fibre with no AC connection at all.

I stick with Innuos because they have extremely good power supplies, have an ethos of very low noise processing, have an excellent USB module and a more recent development is their superb Sense application.

Getting noise levels low or non-existent really does help digital audio and using a DAC with one of the lowest measuring noise floors also helps. What helps the entire audio system is a completely new electricity installation, I have three 100A supplies coming into the house and one is completely dedicated to the audio. I had to do this installation because of the building work and the existing wiring was unsafe. The audiophile elements were about $500 of mains cable and a Furutech wall plate that I’ve had for about 15 years.

I have no IT skills, I took this approach based on simple advice online 10 years ago, it works and it doesn’t cost much money.

Ssfas, What is your system?
 
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Hi facten,

I was not planning to watch this video, because I am not interested in exploring streamers. But I watched it literally for you, to see if I agree with your assessment.

1) Robert Taylor is way more expert in computer stuff and networking stuff then your average high-end audio reviewer of streamers and digital playback.

2) Yes, it would be nice if Robert compared the streamer directly to another streamer, and ideally to a similarly priced streamer. Unfortunately it seems like few of the reviews from TAS and Stereophile are direct comparative reviews anymore. (Michael Fremer's reviews often still are comparative, fortunately.)

3) The fact that Robert reported (according to his personal subjective sonic preferences) that he generally preferred music playback from the streamer and local files to music playback from his LP playback set up is interesting. It is probative. I don't find many people preferring their digital set up to their vinyl set up.

At least this video is a comparison of something. This is more than we typically get from magazine reviews these days.

4) I think you are applying to this particular video standards which would indict most reviews by the magazines today.
My comments have nothing to do with the product as I have not seen nor heard it. I do
Like the way it looks .
I also do not have any familiarity with the gentleman doing the review and so this is a review out of left field for me as too his experience, expertise about high end audio, and his tastes. I think this is important , why is another thread !
My comment really is about the tenor and style of the review. If this is the future of our Industry I have little faith in this continuing and being successful.
The channel IMO is not interesting.
I know Mr. Denney is very controversial and interesting but this video would not make me want to watch another.
 
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Getting ready to rip a new motorcycle—MV Agusta Brutale 1000RR. And let me tell you, this thing is sublime. 208 hp, 405 pounds dry. Need to get some more miles on it before I take it to a track next weekend. Anyway, I don’t have time to respond in a pointed way to the above diatribe, so I’ll just cut and paste this from my Facebook page, and return later today. Enjoy!

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Our journey began with a months-long quest to surpass the leading $30,000+ servers from Europe, the USA, and Korea. But that was just the qualifying session. Our ultimate goal was to take pole, to outperform our reference $100,000 turntable rig and, if possible, to reach parity with our $60,000 reel-to-reel tape deck. This Herculean task consumed over a year of relentless refinement, innovation, and investment of capital.

The result? Synergistic Research is on pace to take the Constructors Cup. The Voodoo is the first digital component to truly bridge the gap between characteristic flat digital sound and the holographic, living, breathing “you are there” analog experience - without vinyl’s noise floor, to sound like tape when streaming on Qobuz! It’s digital audio with an analog soul, at half the price of the $30,000+ European model widely considered the best in the market.

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What do you think contributes to the "characteristic flat digital sound" you describe? And what have you done to resolve that, out of curiosity?

PS. I am not sure what servers you will be comparing to, but can you or someone compare to a decent CD transport? A number of my buddies own the $30K taiko extreme, and I think it's an embarrassment. A luxury, Yes! But Every time I compared, it gets solidly beat out by a $3K transport from China, leaving the alter kakers who bought it blushing and humiliated - despite the hype from the orgiastic taiko thread on this site.
 
Glory be!-- what has become of WBF--how can the moderators allow this Denney fellow to blatantly advertise his wares FREE and with no consequences on what I, and I think and other audiophiles joined, as a Site for enthusiasts to chat/compare /etc with a token of Industry involvement.

Now we have a crafty Manufacturer placing Posts Ad libitum --yes maybe smart--but not Kosher in my Book.

YVMV

BruceD
 
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Glory be!-- what has become of WBF--how can the moderators allow this Denney fellow to blatantly advertise his wares FREE and with no consequences on what I, and I think and other audiophiles joined, as a Site for enthusiasts to chat/compare /etc with a token of Industry involvement.

Now we have a crafty Manufacturer placing Posts Ad libitum --yes maybe smart--but not Kosher in my Book.

YVMV

BruceD
But how is the orgiastic Taiko thread any different? Many people who are looking at a $30K streamer computer assume taiko extreme is the best because of the large number of guys liking it. Sadly, very few of the guys who own one compared the taiko to Antigone's, pink faun, grimm, etc. Guys just buying because a bunch of other guys bought it, and it distorts the market place - in a very sad way.

It is what it is ....
 
Glory be!-- what has become of WBF--how can the moderators allow this Denney fellow to blatantly advertise his wares FREE and with no consequences on what I, and I think and other audiophiles joined, as a Site for enthusiasts to chat/compare /etc with a token of Industry involvement.

Now we have a crafty Manufacturer placing Posts Ad libitum --yes maybe smart--but not Kosher in my Book.

YVMV

BruceD

Bruce, Ted is a paid advertiser on the WBF.

It's not on any of the moderators. Trust me on that. If you have any issues with it, you should offer your thoughts directly to Ron Resnick. I'll just leave it at that.

Tom
 
But how is the orgiastic Taiko thread any different?

Yes, it is sometimes orgiastic. A good sign IMO, particularly as the orgy is essentially driven by owners, not by the manufacturer or dealers.

Many people who are looking at a $30K streamer computer assume taiko extreme is the best because of the large number of guys liking it.

Well, not true in my case and probably many others. Before buying I had a long debate with Emile in WBF, where I asked all the tricky questions I wanted, and he fully addressed them. Only after that I bought the Extreme. Along the years I have compared it with several CD and SACD transports - although I still prefer the physical media when playing equivalent files, the difference is small enough to get unnoticed, unless I do a careful compare. Curiously I am not using the Extreme for the last few weeks, I am carrying some experiments with the Vivaldi Upsampler streamer and router arrangements.

Sadly, very few of the guys who own one compared the taiko to Antigone's, pink faun, grimm, etc. Guys just buying because a bunch of other guys bought it, and it distorts the market place - in a very sad way.

It is what it is ....

Yes, you usual tactic of devaluating others experience, they are all fools and idiots, you are the only one doing it properly. The condescendence expressed in your "sadly" does not help ...
 
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I have never made it through a single Absolute Sound video, no matter how interested I was in the topic. They are SO monotone and boring. Just my two cents. I was interested in the streamer and the reviewer seems knowledgeable indeed, but also like he is reading index cards written by old men our age :)
 
What do you think contributes to the "characteristic flat digital sound" you describe? And what have you done to resolve that, out of curiosity?

PS. I am not sure what servers you will be comparing to, but can you or someone compare to a decent CD transport? A number of my buddies own the $30K taiko extreme, and I think it's an embarrassment. A luxury, Yes! But Every time I compared, it gets solidly beat out by a $3K transport from China, leaving the alter kakers who bought it blushing and humiliated - despite the hype from the orgiastic taiko thread on this site.
What transport. I wanted a Jays Audio CD3.3. Someone said the 2.3 was really good. Almost better in some ways.

And yes, I have wondered as much about the Taiko. Talk about a advertising thread. Ted is an obscurity compared to that one showing up every day. If people want to yell at Ted, don't forget the other dealers.
 
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Yes, it is sometimes orgiastic. A good sign IMO, particularly as the orgy is essentially driven by owners, not by the manufacturer or dealers.



Well, not true in my case and probably many others. Before buying I had a long debate with Emile in WBF, where I asked all the tricky questions I wanted, and he fully addressed them. Only after that I bought the Extreme. Along the years I have compared it with several CD and SACD transports - although I still prefer the physical media when playing equivalent files, the difference is small enough to get unnoticed, unless I do a careful compare. Curiously I am not using the Extreme for the last few weeks, I am carrying some experiments with the Vivaldi Upsampler streamer and router arrangements.



Yes, you usual tactic of devaluating others experience, they are all fools and idiots, you are the only one doing it properly. The condescendence expressed in your "sadly" does not help ...
Just one question: you are a very experienced guy and you march to your own drum. And if you have done your due diligence, good for you. I am sincerely happy you are happy. And we need more guys like you in this hobby.

But why do you assume so many of these clueless alter kakers are just like you? Most looked at the title of the thread - creme de la crap, and saw other guys gushing over it, buying it, and acquired it themselves.... I have compared and know it's junk... just pathetic
 
What transport. I wanted a Jays Audio CD3.3. Someone said the 2.3 was really good. Almost better in some ways.

And yes, I have wondered as much about the Taiko. Talk about a advertising thread. Ted is an obscurity compared to that one showing up every day. If people want to yell at Ted, don't forget the other dealers.
yes, and yes... Any of the Jays better the Taiko. if you compare to an elite transport, such as MBL, the gap is even larger
 
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What do you think contributes to the "characteristic flat digital sound" you describe? And what have you done to resolve that, out of curiosity?

PS. I am not sure what servers you will be comparing to, but can you or someone compare to a decent CD transport? A number of my buddies own the $30K taiko extreme, and I think it's an embarrassment. A luxury, Yes! But Every time I compared, it gets solidly beat out by a $3K transport from China, leaving the alter kakers who bought it blushing and humiliated - despite the hype from the orgiastic taiko thread on this site.

I, like a lot of people, assumed that the inherent compression was somehow a byproduct of the digital format. Since developing the first commercially successful high-end power cord for audio applications—initially conceived as a way to improve digital sound performance—in 1994 with the original AC Master Coupler, I have worked to make better power cords and digital cables to close the gap with what I hear from the best turntables. And I played around with a lot of DACs, but I came to the conclusion that the issue was likely not in digital-to-analog conversion. So I did what I always do: I look at areas that aren’t being paid attention to or are taken for granted.

The first product we came out with was our UEF Ethernet Switch, which breaks noise transfer in the digital chain. We applied our Electromagnetic Cell Technology from our PowerCell line conditioners, which is extremely efficient at removing high-frequency noise from signal without impeding resolution or current. This brought digital closer to analog. We then applied the Electromagnetic Cell Technology plus ULF biasing from the Galileo PowerCell to our UEF Router. This got us closer still, but not exactly there.

So we worked on rolling all SR technology from ground and line conditioning, as well as ULF biasing, adapted to a PC-based server. For a year, we did double-blind testing, where we listened to different CPUs, motherboards, and other variables, narrowing down our choices between two boxes that appeared identical. Only when we clearly identified what we were hearing in each box would we find out what was inside each box. This process of experimentation and deduction consumed a lot of capital and time.

Ultimately, we built the best-sounding PC we could as a server, and then we rolled in our Linear Power Supply technology developed over the past 15 years for our PowerCell line conditioners and later Active Ground Block ground conditioners. We adapted UEF treatments, which interact with signal at the electromagnetic level so they’re not in the signal path from an Ohm’s law perspective. We refined different implementations of our patented Electromagnetic Cell Technology as found in PowerCell and active ground blocks specifically for the Voodoo Streamer Network Server, and we experimented with Dual Differential ULF biasing, which is extremely important when eliminating high-frequency noise, a byproduct of integrated circuit chips found in digital circuits.

As an insight, overlapping electromagnetic fields affect one another, so even if something is not in the signal path, its electromagnetic radiation will affect other fields associated with signal. That’s why everything, through empirical observation, seems to be in the signal path. A lot of people ask why we don’t lock everything down with heavy traditional shielding, but that also interacts with electromagnetic fields and has a subjective byproduct of compressing the sound field and truncating frequency response.

Through our unique suite of technologies, we’re able to eliminate high-frequency noise, which is a byproduct of integrated digital circuit chips, without resorting to low-tech iron-clad shielding found in most servers. We then replace the high-frequency bias created by Wi-Fi, cell service, and RF from the circuit itself, with harmonics of the Earth’s Schumann resonance. The net effect: not only does analog no longer have the advantage of more realistic spatial cues, the sense that the soundfield is living and breathing, but it actually sounds more compressed compared to the Voodoo Streamer Network Server. And absent what we perceive to be an analog format superiority, we now notice more noise in our reference analog rig when directly compared to streaming Qobuz through the Voodoo streamer server.

This video will give you some insight as to what our technology is doing for the overall performance of the Voodoo Streamer Server when it is turned on and off. For best results, it is recommended you listen on your reference stereo, or through your high resolution headphones.

 
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Bruce, Ted is a paid advertiser on the WBF.

It's not on any of the moderators. Trust me on that. If you have any issues with it, you should offer your thoughts directly to Ron Resnick. I'll just leave it at that.

Tom
Tom ,
Oh I see!-- I didn't realise Manufacturers could buy their time slots on WBF--silly Moi :rolleyes:! Suppose we had better be grateful then that the word doesn't get out or the place could be overrun with eager beavers hawking product at every turn.

Guess it is what it is-- so I'll shut up and climb back into my burrow-- carry on Chaps!

BD
 
Tom ,
Oh I see!-- I didn't realise Manufacturers could buy their time slots on WBF--silly Moi :rolleyes:! Suppose we had better be grateful then that the word doesn't get out or the place could be overrun with eager beavers hawking product at every turn.

Guess it is what it is-- so I'll shut up and climb back into my burrow-- carry on Chaps!

BD

Again, not sure why you are not complaining about Lampizator or Taiko over-promotion.
 
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While the self-promotion can be irritating, one can choose which threads they wish to read. Not really a big problem, IMO.
 
Ssfas, What is your system?
The digital system is Innuos Pulsar, Holo May DAC, Gryphon Diablo 300, Wilson Sabrina, a managed Ubiquiti network and Neotech Silver UP-OCC cabling. Analogue is a fully pimped CTC Garrard 301, Reed and Groovemaster tonearms, RCM and Whest phono amps. Puritan power products. So the analogue is a little more expensive than the digital, but proportionate to use.

The main part of the system is the room, which was completely rebuilt, removing ceiling, hacking off all the plaster from the brick walls, replacing the windows and a completely new electrical installation. All new furniture as well.
 
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What transport. I wanted a Jays Audio CD3.3. Someone said the 2.3 was really good. Almost better in some ways.

And yes, I have wondered as much about the Taiko. Talk about an advertising thread. Ted is an obscurity compared to that one showing up every day. If people want to yell at Ted, don't forget the other dealers.
To compare the Taiko thread and SR self promotional muti -thread onslaught is a reach to put it mildly!
 
But how is the orgiastic Taiko thread any different? Many people who are looking at a $30K streamer computer assume taiko extreme is the best because of the large number of guys liking it. Sadly, very few of the guys who own one compared the taiko to Antigone's, pink faun, grimm, etc. Guys just buying because a bunch of other guys bought it, and it distorts the market place - in a very sad way.

It is what it is ....
This recurrent fantasy of orgies and audiophiles must be unsettling.
 
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