Can You Believe This-The Government Wants Us To Go EV but In So Doing They Will impose a gas surcharge

Joe, I am glad you have a car you love! I know that feeling!

How competitive against the Model S do you think will be the Porsche Taycan?

(I know the Taycan’s competitive disadvantages presently are price (higher than Model S) and range (loser than Model S.)


A fairer comparison would be the Tesla Roadster vs the Porsche Taycan. The Roadster is the fastest production car in the world at the present time

0-60 in 1.9 seconds
 
FWIW both cars use Lithium ion batteries

Range on the two model Taycans is.......

Both cars carry a 93.4-kilowatt-hour, high-voltage lithium-ion battery that packs enough electrons to allow the Taycan Turbo to cover 237 to 280 miles on the WLTP scale


The Tesla Roadster has a range of .......


Tesla said that the vehicle had a 200 kWh (720 MJ) battery, twice the capacity of the Tesla Model S P100D, and giving a 1,000 km (620 miles) range on one charge at highway speeds. Tesla stated that the torque at wheels was 10,000 N?m (7,400 lb?ft). The rear wheels are larger than the front wheels.
Electric range?: ?1,000 km (620 miles) Battery?: ?200 kWh (720 MJ)
Model years?: ?2020 (to commence) Electric motor?: ?3 electric motors (one front, two ...
 
A fairer comparison would be the Tesla Roadster vs the Porsche Taycan. The Roadster is the fastest production car in the world at the present time

0-60 in 1.9 seconds

Yes, but only if the sole factor in question is quickness.

If someone wants a four door EV sedan they will compare the Taycan to the Model S.
 
Ron and Steve, to me you are the two perfect gentlemen to drive a Tesla.
A model S would fit you perfectly Steve.

Ron, your Tesla model is not out yet, but it's coming ...

Me, I'm a Bugatti man, till they go EV ...
 
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I bought used cars for 40 years, and then finally bought some new ones. I buy a car about every 20 years. You can buy a used Tesla or a demo as well and save a lot of money. Some people are using their used Teslas as money-makers, renting them out.

Teslas are expensive, right? You make them sound affordable. I quick Google search reveals that in 2018, there were 5.3M new cars sold, 17.2M if you include light trucks. In 2018 there were 39.5M used cars sold. That tells me that many people can't afford new cars. Al M. wrote that he loves his Nissan small car. Perhaps part of the reason was the low cost. You suggested that he drive a Tesla. Do you think you persuaded him to buy one at its much higher cost? I doubt it.

New cars will continue to go up in price while wages are stagnant. What will that do to future sales? Young people are buying fewer cars, (perhaps a good thing for the environment). Used car buyers are saving the planet by not consuming new cars that are costly to produce and take up natural resources. Used cars are basically recycled by the new owner. I kind of thought you would be arguing for reduced consumption as being better for the environment.
 
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Ron and Steve, to me you are the two perfect gentlemen to drive a Tesla.
A model S would fit you perfectly Steve.

Ron, your Tesla model is not out yet, but it's coming ...

Me, I'm a Bugatti man, till they go EV ...

Actually Steve and I love our SLs!

But I would consider a 2 door Taycan with a retractable hardtop.
 
I just left the club here where I live and I almost fell over in my seat. I saw something I never knew existed. How about this for the height of decadence and emissions.

The one I saw was Black

The $400,000 Rolls-Royce Cullinan Is the Most Amazing Luxury SUV

 
The Taycan (Porsche) is less expensive than the Roadster (Tesla)?

And the SL is gas powered.

Not that I am big but I personally don’t care for tiny or even small cars. I find the Roadster tiny and even the Boxster/Cayman too small.

This is one reason why Steve and I happen to love the SL: it is large for a 2 seater. I think it is the largest (in terms of leg room, interior cabin space and trunk capacity) 2 seat convertible in production today.

Yes, the SL uses a gas powered ICE. I feel no compunction to express my political views through my automotive selections.
 
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Peter, as a sailor I'm surprised you don't drive EV yet.

Steve (Empirical), right on.

As a sailor, I have other fiscal priorities (like buying new sails). Seriously, I drive as little as possible and cars are a pain. I own a small Toyota pick up for my business. I have no interest in spending what I consider a lot of money on a new car. I have cartridges to retip and records to buy.

Teslas here in cold NE are actually not that popular. My friend who owns a Model S has four other cars. I don't see anyone charging Teslas with solar panels around here. I do like Steve's idea for his future EV, but his region is more suitable. Norway and New England will need other charging solutions.
 
I just left the club here where I live and I almost fell over in my seat. I saw something I never knew existed. How about this for the height of decadence and emissions.

The one I saw was Black

The $400,000 Rolls-Royce Cullinan Is the Most Amazing Luxury SUV


no, this is the height of decadence....and whatever.

https://www.gulfstream.com/en/aircraft
 
Yeah, it doesn't matter much what we are all driving today; EV is here to stay and expand.
It's our children's children who will drive EV in masses for the better world ...

Us it's our gas cars and stereo systems who drive our mojo today.
 
Yeah, it doesn't matter much what we are all driving today; EV is here to stay and expand.
It's our children's children who will drive EV in masses for the better world ...

Us it's our gas cars and stereo systems who drive our mojo today.

Don’t get me wrong — I love the EV concepts of incredible acceleration, low center-of-gravity, no ICE noise, easy maintenance and home solar panel charging. I just personally and idiosyncratically want that in the form of a large 2 seater with a retractable hardtop!
 
Not to me. The Roadster is small. And it is a 2+2.

Please ask Elon for a large 2 seater! :D
 
I live in the Northern part of Europe and solar was a no-brainer (both solar panels and hot-water solar panels). Solar will cover most of my needs. In the summer, I produce more electricity than I need whereas in the winter, I need to compensate with the grid. The electricity I inject in the grid is offset against the electricity I draw from the grid (day vs. night, summer vs. winter). My utility company produces electricity solely from hydro and wind so I feel quite comfortable with my choies. Taking into account the respective prices of electricity and oil in my country, « tanking » my EV is actually twice cheaper. Adding batteries in the future will make the case even more compelling.

Being an « early » adopter of an EV for my daily commute during the week, I wished the manufacturers would produce smaller and less expensive EVs. The main reason I chose the Jaguar I-Pace over the Tesla S and the Audi E-Tron is because it was the smallest car of the three. As long as I can put my Studer A80 or a bicycle in the cargo space, I am fine.

I guess that one day, once the technology is more mature, the little two seater sports ICE car I still have will be replaced by an EV one but I reckon it will take some time.
 
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