Can You Believe This-The Government Wants Us To Go EV but In So Doing They Will impose a gas surcharge
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I have one of those (it is actually my second Fully E-MTB already) and I absolutely love it
I even sold my Motorbikes because I was plowing through the mountains and woods with my E-MTB all the time rather than driving on the streets with my Motorbikes.
No more time for the Motorbikes, so they had to go
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I have one of those (it is actually my second Fully E-MTB already) and I absolutely love it
I even sold my Motorbikes because I was plowing through the mountains and woods with my E-MTB all the time rather than driving on the streets with my Motorbikes.
No more time for the Motorbikes, so they had to go
I can't be too hard on my friend because I'm 100% sure I'll have one eventually!
My issue with them is that I can already easily travel further than the battery would allow and I'm not getting into having multiple batteries as they are something like $800 each. On some rocky, techy trails my friend was down to 20% battery life after a ~12 mile ride we did in just a few hours. On smoother terrain they last much longer, but on some trails they don't work out as well. And riding the bike without battery assist is not super fun since it weighs something like 52 lbs.
I also don't like that it's dividing the community, now I don't ride with my friend much and riding emtb vs regular mtb isn't fully compatible. They plan on only riding where they are allowed and don't want to wait for regular mtbs on the uphills.
I plan on riding my non-e-mtb as long as I can and hope we get that alien battery tech before I need an e-mtb.
But you are aware that you can switch the degree of support in 4 different levels from very little support (to just compensate the more weight) to full blast crazy support but then the battery empties pretty fast.I can't be too hard on my friend because I'm 100% sure I'll have one eventually!
My issue with them is that I can already easily travel further than the battery would allow and I'm not getting into having multiple batteries as they are something like $800 each. On some rocky, techy trails my friend was down to 20% battery life after a ~12 mile ride we did in just a few hours. On smoother terrain they last much longer, but on some trails they don't work out as well. And riding the bike without battery assist is not super fun since it weighs something like 52 lbs.
I also don't like that it's dividing the community, now I don't ride with my friend much and riding emtb vs regular mtb isn't fully compatible. They plan on only riding where they are allowed and don't want to wait for regular mtbs on the uphills.
I plan on riding my non-e-mtb as long as I can and hope we get that alien battery tech before I need an e-mtb.
Few days before yesterday I was reading that Tesla batteries will eventually last one million miles. They can be recharged 4,000 times and with a lost of only 10%.
You can Google it or I think I can locate the link from my history book ...
Also another short mentioned solar panels on top of cars to extend mileage.
That too you can Google or a link from my book if requested.
Speaking of mileage Tesla I believe is @ the top flight now, with something like 375 miles in one charge? Try to do that with a truck that does 10 miles to the gallon of gas, or a small sportscar with a small tank of gas (nitro and high performance acceleration).
One million miles, that's right. In my regular gas cars and trucks the battery needs replacement after five years.
Charging stations are being built more and more across the nation...North America, Canadian territories included. You can travel from one ocean to another without worrying about charging stations.
And, Amazon HD radio listening while driving your brand new EV.
Better for audiophiles without noise and distortion. ...Tubes not included and power cords absolutely quiet for high fidelity audio.
It's like being home on the road ... plus the mountains look sharper, more on focus, without smog around surrounding them. You can even open the windows and sunroof to breathe cleaner air for your lungs and brains.
Less wars in the world too; that's a big advantage right there to make some business leaders poop all over inside their underwear.
The future is brighter, much brighter with EV and MicroLED TV.
Want some links, tons of them from my EV history book (Internet data search and delivery), ...anytime. Just ask ...
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But you don't need to ...
• https://bigthink.com/technology-innovation/tesla-million-mile-battery?rebelltitem=2#rebelltitem2
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From another article ... Science (WIRED) ...
"The energy density of a lithium ion battery is one of the most important qualities in consumer electric cars like Tesla’s Model 3. Customers want to be able to drive long distances on a single charge. Tesla’s newer cars can get up to 370 miles per charge, which is well beyond the range of electric vehicles from other companies. In fact, based on the average American commute, scientist/physicist Jeff Dahn estimates that most EV owners use only about a quarter of a charge per day. But to make a fleet of robotaxis or an empire of long-haul electric trucks, Tesla will need a battery that can handle full discharge cycles every day."
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? Canada / USA / Global
https://insideevs.com/news/372938/tesla-supercharger-canada-network/
Solar panels and EV ...
• https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/28/tes...-on-cars-its-not-stopping-toyota-hyundai.html
You can Google it or I think I can locate the link from my history book ...
Also another short mentioned solar panels on top of cars to extend mileage.
That too you can Google or a link from my book if requested.
Speaking of mileage Tesla I believe is @ the top flight now, with something like 375 miles in one charge? Try to do that with a truck that does 10 miles to the gallon of gas, or a small sportscar with a small tank of gas (nitro and high performance acceleration).
One million miles, that's right. In my regular gas cars and trucks the battery needs replacement after five years.
Charging stations are being built more and more across the nation...North America, Canadian territories included. You can travel from one ocean to another without worrying about charging stations.
And, Amazon HD radio listening while driving your brand new EV.
Better for audiophiles without noise and distortion. ...Tubes not included and power cords absolutely quiet for high fidelity audio.
It's like being home on the road ... plus the mountains look sharper, more on focus, without smog around surrounding them. You can even open the windows and sunroof to breathe cleaner air for your lungs and brains.
Less wars in the world too; that's a big advantage right there to make some business leaders poop all over inside their underwear.
The future is brighter, much brighter with EV and MicroLED TV.
Want some links, tons of them from my EV history book (Internet data search and delivery), ...anytime. Just ask ...
_____
But you don't need to ...
• https://bigthink.com/technology-innovation/tesla-million-mile-battery?rebelltitem=2#rebelltitem2
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From another article ... Science (WIRED) ...
"The energy density of a lithium ion battery is one of the most important qualities in consumer electric cars like Tesla’s Model 3. Customers want to be able to drive long distances on a single charge. Tesla’s newer cars can get up to 370 miles per charge, which is well beyond the range of electric vehicles from other companies. In fact, based on the average American commute, scientist/physicist Jeff Dahn estimates that most EV owners use only about a quarter of a charge per day. But to make a fleet of robotaxis or an empire of long-haul electric trucks, Tesla will need a battery that can handle full discharge cycles every day."
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? Canada / USA / Global
https://insideevs.com/news/372938/tesla-supercharger-canada-network/
Solar panels and EV ...
• https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/28/tes...-on-cars-its-not-stopping-toyota-hyundai.html
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Few days before yesterday I was reading that Tesla batteries will eventually last one million miles. They can be recharged 4,000 times and with a lost of only 10%.
You can Google it or I think I can locate the link from my history book ...
Also another short mentioned solar panels on top of cars to extend mileage.
That too you can Google or a link from my book if requested.
Speaking of mileage Tesla I believe is @ the top fight now, with something like 375 miles in one charge? Try to do that with a truck that does 10 miles to the gallon of gas, or a small sportscar with a small tank of gas (nitro and high performance acceleration).
One million miles, that's right. In my regular gas cars and trucks the battery needs replacement after five years.
Charging stations are being built more and more across the nation...North America, Canadian territories included. You can travel from one ocean to another without worrying about charging stations.
And, Amazon HD radio listening while driving your brand new EV.
Better for audiophiles without noise and distortion. ...Tubes not included and power cords absolutely quiet for high fidelity audio.
It's like being home on the road ... plus the mountains look sharper, more on focus, without smog around surrounding them. You can even open the windows and sunroof to breathe cleaner air for your lungs and brains.
Less wars in the world too; that's a big advantage right there to make some business leaders poop all over inside their underwear.
The future is brighter, much brighter with EV and MicroLED TV.
Want some links, tons of them from my EV history book (Internet data search and delivery), ...anytime. Just ask ...
_____
But you don't need to ...
• https://bigthink.com/technology-innovation/tesla-million-mile-battery?rebelltitem=2#rebelltitem2
_____
From another article ...
"The energy density of a lithium ion battery is one of the most important qualities in consumer electric cars like Tesla’s Model 3. Customers want to be able to drive long distances on a single charge. Tesla’s newer cars can get up to 370 miles per charge, which is well beyond the range of electric vehicles from other companies. In fact, based on the average American commute, scientist/physicist Jeff Dahn estimates that most EV owners use only about a quarter of a charge per day. But to make a fleet of robotaxis or an empire of long-haul electric trucks, Tesla will need a battery that can handle full discharge cycles every day."
I posted this several days ago...........
https://whatsbestforum.com/threads/...pose-a-gas-surcharge.28971/page-7#post-598935
Yeah, he has a Commencal Shuttle as he's a physical trainer for the Commencal team. We're both getting older, in our mid 40's, but I can't help but notice I'm now in better shape than he is by far, even though he's a trainer, and I can't help but think it's the e-bike. I think he's using the trail and boost setting far too much when he should be using "Eco" mode more often!
I trust eco mode is called pedaling in the real world
You have to pedal these bikes, the motor just assists you. Eco mode adds something like 20% to your own efforts, so does only a little more than compensate for the added weight. Then trail is 40% and boost is more, I forget exactly... but it does allow you to simply pedal the bike up hills you'd normally have to walk and you get up climbs much faster. On flats you can accelerate much faster too, the motor assist cuts out over 20 mph or so.
They are really cool bikes, for sure, and one big plus is they can compensate for being disabled... or simply out-of-shape!
They are really cool bikes, for sure, and one big plus is they can compensate for being disabled... or simply out-of-shape!
i like that
The electric Porsche Taycan of today ...
The electric Bently of tomorrow ...
The days of oil and gas and ... are over.
Our children's children will enjoy all the cleaner luxuries of tomorrow.
Some of us have a taste today of what they'll be enjoying amplified exponentially.
The electric Bently of tomorrow ...
The days of oil and gas and ... are over.
Our children's children will enjoy all the cleaner luxuries of tomorrow.
Some of us have a taste today of what they'll be enjoying amplified exponentially.
Empirical Audio
Industry Expert
Inexpensive, environmentally friendly and energy-dense energy storage solutions would completely change the world and the balance of technology... EVs would clearly be the best choice for cars, for electricity wind and solar have enough energy return on energy invested to make sense in areas that are sunny or windy already, but connecting them to the grid and energy storage is the issue that makes it impractical to implement for a majority percentage of our power use. We have some good solutions, but not everywhere. In some places water can be pumped up in elevation then dropped through hydroelectric turbines. In other places air can be pumped into massive underground voids at ridiculous pressure and released to turn turbines. Both solutions are incomplete and don't cover use for transportation. What we need is simply a miracle battery, a Mr Fusion type device... it seems like a pipe dream now, but in the future such tech will surely exist. The problem is we need it now, maybe aliens will drop down and give us a hand?
Even when EV's are charged using fossil fuel power generation, they are a win. Because they get such good mileage, total US emissions would be reduced by about 4.3%. This is literally the same level of emissions we currently have from home heating using fossil fuels.
Where we're heading; EV's batteries lasting a long long time, good for a million miles, recyclable, giving a thousand miles range per charge, lighter, smaller, thinner, more powerful than ever, charges taking less time than refuelling an old CO2 ordinary rudimentary prehistoric gas emission car ... from the ICE age carbonated technology ...
? https://www.forbes.com/sites/billro...riesand-how-long-they-will-last/#6f17490921d9
? https://www.forbes.com/sites/billro...riesand-how-long-they-will-last/#6f17490921d9
Empirical Audio
Industry Expert
Empirical Audio
Industry Expert
The key message:
"If e-cars are running on electricity produced by burning dirty fossil fuels, climate benefits are limited."
I don't argue with this. If we have 100% clean power, electric passenger cars would reduce emissions by 14%. With fossil-fuel power, it's more like 4%. Still a big number and this does not take into account the eliminated oil changes.
No mention at all of the difference in equivalent mileage/gallon. This is where the big benefits come from when using fossil-fuel power with electric vehhicles, as well as no oil changes.
This article only says that electrical power will increase to charge the electric cars. We know that. The emissions from a natgas plant will be lower than a gasoline cars emissions plus the transport of the crude oil, plus the flaring, plus the refining to make the gasoline, plus the transportation of the gasoline. This does not even take into account the improved equivalent gas mileage. It's still a big win to go electric. There are so many parts of the petroleum production chain that add pollutants, including methane and CO2 that it is always a win.
I have yet to see any article about electric cars that convinces me that they are not a win, before renewable power and after.
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I have too, and I have training as an environmental engineer to determine the worth of new energy technology by evaluating it's EROEI, or Energy Return on Energy Invested, and I was taught this by the guy who invented EROEI and is the author of my Heat Transfer and Thermodynamics textbooks... so one of the most qualified teachers in the world. I've worked for Vestas wind turbines as an engineer as well, so it's not like I'm biased against "green" power. However, I try to keep an open mind and see things as they are...
You however... you show obvious bias and I believe the assumptions you're making to complete your "research" are probably inaccurate as a result. Combined with your Jesus complex we get the ridiculous posts you make. It's ok, it is entertaining.
Dave is correct. Hybrids net the best results for being eco friendly. They charge their own batteries, but some do plug in which can be an advantage so you don't have to use the charge modes as much that are kinda like that "rubber band" action when you let off the throttle.
