Digital or analog? Breuninger says... and asks what says you?

-----Speaking of Linn Andre, did you know that Ivor was/is an Analog and a Digital Freek! :b
...And you must be familiar with the ex-Linn Sondek CD12 CD player?

Yes Bob i am familiar with ALL Linn products in the early 80s my turntable was an Oracle Delphi and my best friend had a Linn LP-12 in those days i was into disco and my friend was an audiophile for me the serious stuff started in 1984.
 
-----That is one of the great thing about Audio: Free choice. :b

...Or just in one word: Freedoom.

"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose,"

Kris Kristofferson
 
"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose,"

Kris Kristofferson

When you spend a little time in jail, then you realy understand the meaning of freedom.
 
-----Ok, that's Kris' quote; and what's your own personal take on Freedom Myles? :b

...Or Liberty, Independence; same.

There is none. It's all an illusion.
 
Andre, I know exactly where you are coming from on this. I'm just about the only one in my audio group that has not gone back to vinyl. Tried and failed. I hear that groove noise on all their uber tables and it drives me nuts. They hear nothing. Any perceived music enjoyment is more than neutered to my ears.

I have read that some vinyl guys have "learned" block out any of the issues with vinyl playback in relation to noise, especially clicks and pops and surface noise.

I say noise is noise, not music.

Robert Harley claims vinyl noise rides "on top" of the music, separate..while digital has "distortion"
is wound into the "fabric" of the music. I don't buy it.
 
For me, the final straw was on the mid 80's 4 out of every 5 records I was buying was either warped, or had massive inner groove distortion.

While audiophile, boutique pressings have taken care of these issues today, they come at unacceptable price..$50 for 60 year old Coltrane, or various Blue Note recordings?

Insane.

And the kicker is even THEN there is a known number of warped and noisy pressings, even with the attention to detail.

Andre Marc as a pro cd audiophile i'm not surprised one bit about your quote: ( But I can tell you that I was able to hear noise on every LP I heard at CES and both Newport shows even ultra SOTA systems ) some pro vinyl audiophiles will say that they don't get surface noise because of the great care they take of their albums, when what they should say is that they have very little surface noise, now that i would believe, for me ALL those rituals around the turntable - tiptoing - the million bristles Decca brush - the Target special shelf on the wall - the cover removal for better sound - the frequent visits to the record store for warped records - ect ect ect - as been over since 1983, that is almost 30 years ago and back then i owned a very good analog source Oracle Delphi turntable - Stax UA9N tonearm - and Grace F-9R cartridge, it was very good but even with regular maintenance I DID HAVE SURFACE NOISE at least i could hear some and it realy realy bothered me so i switch to noise free cdp.
 
I have read that some vinyl guys have "learned" block out any of the issues with vinyl playback in relation to noise, especially clicks and pops and surface noise.

I say noise is noise, not music.

Robert Harley claims vinyl noise rides "on top" of the music, separate..while digital has "distortion"
is wound into the "fabric" of the music. I don't buy it.

The pops and clicks of dirt and damage do. The rest of its distortions are so well integrated that its fans hear it as sound stage, resolution, dynamics...the list is long.

Tim
 
I have read that some vinyl guys have "learned" block out any of the issues with vinyl playback in relation to noise, especially clicks and pops and surface noise.

I say noise is noise, not music.

Robert Harley claims vinyl noise rides "on top" of the music, separate..while digital has "distortion"
is wound into the "fabric" of the music. I don't buy it.

Neither do i, noise is noise and cd,s are noise free even if you hate them.
 
Linn was one of the first companies to introduce a "high end" digital streamer that Art Dudley raved about, btw.

-----Speaking of Linn Andre, did you know that Ivor was/is an Analog and a Digital Freek! :b
...And you must be familiar with the ex-Linn Sondek CD12 CD player?
 
I have read that some vinyl guys have "learned" block out any of the issues with vinyl playback in relation to noise, especially clicks and pops and surface noise.

I say noise is noise, not music.

Robert Harley claims vinyl noise rides "on top" of the music, separate..while digital has "distortion"
is wound into the "fabric" of the music. I don't buy it.

Noise is a non issue for well sorted vinyl playback. Sure digital is quieter, but also much more strident and unatural sounding when we are talking music mastered on analog tape. I don't need to train myself to block out noise. It simply isn't there to any noticable degree as long as your records are Near Mint and clean, which mine are.
 
Noise is a non issue for well sorted vinyl playback. Sure digital is quieter, but also much more strident and unatural sounding when we are talking music mastered on analog tape. I don't need to train myself to block out noise. It simply isn't there to any noticable degree as long as your records are Near Mint and clean, which mine are.

i can play vinyl for 4 or 6 hours straight and never hear a tick....and do it many times. sure; there are Lps i really love that have some ticks that i only listen when i'm by myself since there are some that get distracted by them. people who characterize vinyl as noisey are simply showing their limited exposure to high level vinyl. i'm never going to convince them otherwise unless i can get them to visit me.

and show conditions are about as poor as possible a place to form an opinion about how great vinyl can get.
 
i can play vinyl for 4 or 6 hours straight and never hear a tick....and do it many times. sure; there are Lps i really love that have some ticks that i only listen when i'm by myself since there are some that get distracted by them. people who characterize vinyl as noisey are simply showing their limited exposure to high level vinyl. i'm never going to convince them otherwise unless i can get them to visit me.

and show conditions are about as poor as possible a place to form an opinion about how great vinyl can get.

I had little doubt we would be in agreement. ;)
 
i can play vinyl for 4 or 6 hours straight and never hear a tick....and do it many times. sure; there are Lps i really love that have some ticks that i only listen when i'm by myself since there are some that get distracted by them. people who characterize vinyl as noisey are simply showing their limited exposure to high level vinyl. .

Whenever I record vinyl from Mike's system I never have to use any restoration tools to remove noise or ticks/pops. High level vinyl IS quiet folks....
 
i can play vinyl for 4 or 6 hours straight and never hear a tick....and do it many times.

I'm the same. I don't hear the tick - the tick is likely to be there, but I just don't hear it. Strangely, when I digitize the vinyl, and play back the high-rez file, I do hear more ticks and pops. Going back to playing the vinyl, the tick is still there, but I have to listen for and wait for the tick.

I know that there are people who are irritated by the ticks and pops, and those guys should stick with digital. For me, I get carried away by the music more with vinyl than with digital. But there are many times too that I can get carried away by digital music. I probably spend more buying vinyl than I do CDs and downloads. If I can find the LP, I would prefer to buy that, but I won't miss out on an album I want because it is only available on CD.
 
I'm the same. I don't hear the tick - the tick is likely to be there, but I just don't hear it. Strangely, when I digitize the vinyl, and play back the high-rez file, I do hear more ticks and pops. Going back to playing the vinyl, the tick is still there, but I have to listen for and wait for the tick.

I know that there are people who are irritated by the ticks and pops, and those guys should stick with digital. For me, I get carried away by the music more with vinyl than with digital. But there are many times too that I can get carried away by digital music. I probably spend more buying vinyl than I do CDs and downloads. If I can find the LP, I would prefer to buy that, but I won't miss out on an album I want because it is only available on CD.


QUOTE: ( I know that there are people who are irritated by the ticks and pops, and those guys should stick with digital ) Agree 100% I am one of those guy's, 29 YEARS noise free cd,s.
 

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