Digital or analog? Breuninger says... and asks what says you?

[NorthStar]

For me, the final straw was on the mid 80's 4 out of every 5 records I was buying was either warped, or had massive inner groove distortion.

While audiophile, boutique pressings have taken care of these issues today, they come at unacceptable price..$50 for 60 year old Coltrane, or various Blue Note recordings?

Insane.

And the kicker is even THEN there is a known number of warped and noisy pressings, even with the attention to detail.

-----Your post should be a good level indicator to future Analog (LPs) prospectors. :b

 

[NorthStar]

Whenever I record vinyl from Mike's system I never have to use any restoration tools to remove noise or ticks/pops. High level vinyl IS quiet folks....

-----How many people (members) here have that High Level Vinyl system setup,
plus all the 'Jazz' that comes with it?

 

[NorthStar]

Linn was one of the first companies to introduce a "high end" digital streamer that Art Dudley raved about, btw.

-----Didn't know that; cool! :b

 

[NorthStar]

I have to say this ...

---Read, think, listen, be smart, and choose the right path.

-> After all, it's your life and your own money.

 

[MrAcoustat]

Noise is a non issue for well sorted vinyl playback. Sure digital is quieter, but also much more strident and unatural sounding when we are talking music mastered on analog tape. I don't need to train myself to block out noise. It simply isn't there to any noticable degree as long as your records are Near Mint and clean, which mine are.

Sorry rockitman, ( Noise is a non issue for well sorted vinyl playback. ) This is simply not true, as for some cd,s being strident this is just like vinyl it mostly as to do with the recordings & the equipment that you are using EXACTLY like analog ( GARBAGE IN = GARBAGE OUT you need quality software & hardware with both mediums.

 

[MrAcoustat]

---Read, think, listen, be smart, and choose the right path.

-> After all, it's your life and your own money.

Very Very true,

 

[Peter Breuninger]

-----How many people (members) here have that High Level Vinyl system setup,
plus all the 'Jazz' that comes with it?

This one is pretty high... it's the talk of the town. It actually removes pops and ticks! (just kidding)

 

[NorthStar]

---Very nice looking 'instrument' Peter. ...It does for you what it supposes to? Good. :b

You got the right LPs to spin on it? You got what it also takes; the 'glue'?

Tell us more about, please Peter.

 

[Ronm1]

I'm the same. I don't hear the tick - the tick is likely to be there, but I just don't hear it. Strangely, when I digitize the vinyl, and play back the high-rez file, I do hear more ticks and pops. Going back to playing the vinyl, the tick is still there, but I have to listen for and wait for the tick.

I suspect Gary that this is the dreaded Aural Vinyl Spinning Radiation effect. No spin no zap of the Executive Function lobes. Discovered by TAE and the boys at Menlo Park, went wih wax instead.

 

[MrAcoustat]

I'm the kind of guy that like's to please, #1 is for the PRO VINYLS out there

And #2 is for the PRO CD,s out there

Hope ALL of you enjoy the music, noise or no noise, your choice.

 

[Ronm1]

^ Nice h/w, should I re-mortgage the abode.

 

[rockitman]

Sorry rockitman, ( Noise is a non issue for well sorted vinyl playback. ) This is simply not true...

Sorry MrAcoustat...did I get some sand in your undies ? It's apparent to me you haven't heard a well sorted vinyl rig. Please elaborate on your noisy vinyl experience...ie: Table make, arm, cart and phono stage so that we can see where your noise problem is. Pity you don't embrace vinyl (Analog). Until you do, you will have no idea on how good your system could sound...

Best Regards.

 

[FrantzM]

Hi

However much I try to remain outside these discussions , I find myself drawn into them.

When a person profess a preference for Digital, the standard reply (with a note of condescension) is that the digital lover has never heard a well set-up analog set-up ... Do we need to go there? Really? Do we ... have to?
A DDD recording is more silent than an analog one and it is a fact .. Not an opinion.. One can prefer the Analog over the digital .. No debate but the fact remains that the CD will have less noise than the LP... And that doesn't require one to have a mega dollar TT or CD system to establish the fact.

I have add excellent analog system and have some of the best TT out there and they are in many instances very silent but the absolute absence of noise of a CD is pout of reach of any TT by design .. This does not mean that CD is superior on all front to the best analog it simply means on the front of signal to noise ratio CD is superior. FACT. Oh .. by the way this is not to say that analog is superior to CD let's simply say they are different.. Just one last thing ... I have seen related in this very forum an experience conducted by Bruce B of digitizing some analog master or early generation copies and from what I read from Bruce B .. Not knowing it would have been extremely difficult to distinguish between the digital (albeit DSD) and the analog master ... If I am quoting Bruce wrong I would like him to correct me .. Digital is that good and is getting better ..
Would prefer not to see such display I find these patronizing and too recurrent ... They don't advance the discussion and we learn nothing from them
I have had great analog and have expereinced the greatest analog available up to a point but found myself more attracted to digital to the extent tthat today 90% of my music is through digital ..

 

[mep]

Sorry MrAcoustat...did I get some sand in your undies ? It's apparent to me you haven't heard a well sorted vinyl rig. Please elaborate on your noisy vinyl experience...ie: Table make, arm, cart and phono stage so that we can see where your noise problem is. Pity you don't embrace vinyl (Analog). Until you do, you will have no idea on how good your system could sound...

Best Regards.

Christian-You have to remember that for some of the digit lovers if they hear a single pop or tick, that's it! The analog medium is terrible and not worth their time when they can listen to the pristine silence of digital. Out goes the baby with the bath water! You can't talk people out of these types of hardcore feelings and we shouldn't try. After all, digit lovers have been enjoying perfect digital sound since 1982 and now we have some who claim to love the less than perfect sound of MP-3s.

 

[Gregadd]

-----Ok, that's Kris' quote; and what's your own personal take on Freedom Myles? :b

...Or Liberty, Independence; same.

Freedom is just picking from your available options. For most that is some form of digital recording played through a horrible digital playback deivce.

 

[rbbert]

Hi

However much I try to remain outside these discussions , I find myself drawn into them.

When a person profess a preference for Digital, the standard reply (with a note of condescension) is that the digital lover has never heard a well set-up analog set-up ... Do we need to go there? Really? Do we ... have to?
....

That's why such people are often referred to as "vinylistas"

 

[Gregadd]

i can play vinyl for 4 or 6 hours straight and never hear a tick....and do it many times. sure; there are Lps i really love that have some ticks that i only listen when i'm by myself since there are some that get distracted by them. people who characterize vinyl as noisey are simply showing their limited exposure to high level vinyl. i'm never going to convince them otherwise unless i can get them to visit me.

and show conditions are about as poor as possible a place to form an opinion about how great vinyl can get.

Mike the VPI record machine does to digitals' noiseless claims what the hand held Stinger missles did to the Russian fighter jets in the Afghan war. I am sure your records are dirt and static free. I can only guess how many unplayable CDs there are out there. I was listening to some music on UTube at the library. Honestly it was skipping just like a dirty/scratched CD.

 

[Andre Marc]

Tea For the Tillerman, listening session

Tea for the Tillerman is not a Chesky recording of course. I have bought all of my Hi Rez digital from HDTracks and I can tell you it's a real crapshoot. I would say that Tea for the Tillerman is among the worst digital files I have bought. I hear no dynamic range, it's flatter than a fritter.

Well, after listening to the 192 Khz HDtracks download of Tea For the Tillerman, I cannot agree that it is flat as a fritter.

There a tremendous amount of texture and it sounds very clean and transparent to me.

However, THIS is one case where a running it through a nice tube compressor may have fattened it up a bit, since you do have to crank it. ( I heard the same thing on the uncompressed Paul McCartneys and others too)

The funny thing is, if an LP was mastered off of this 192 Khz archive, all those who bought for 35 or 50 bucks would be gushing over it.

 

[Gregadd]

When you spend a little time in jail, then you realy understand the meaning of freedom.

Even the threat of jail is sobering!

 

[MrAcoustat]

Sorry MrAcoustat...did I get some sand in your undies ? It's apparent to me you haven't heard a well sorted vinyl rig. Please elaborate on your noisy vinyl experience...ie: Table make, arm, cart and phono stage so that we can see where your noise problem is. Pity you don't embrace vinyl (Analog). Until you do, you will have no idea on how good your system could sound...

Best Regards.

Sorry rockitman, the information you want is in post #71, i know it's not your fault you came into this discussion a little late and NO i realy don't miss the analog playback, if it's good for YOU then it's alright but it's simply not for me, so i guess i'm not an audiophile, to bad for me.