Doctor's Orders-Part Two-The New Listening Room Of Steve Williams

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Definitely love Missing Persons' various recordings....I think O'Hearn really opened up and showed his total range of talents in his solo work (no surprise) but I do enjoy the MP releases that are out there and like the group Berlin, they do fill a certain 80s/90s style craving from time to time!
 
Dead Can Dance, Into the Labyrinth has always been a fun album to listen to. I have always liked the first three tracks of the album. I had never heard it on vinyl but fast became a fan of the MoFi version which I heard also at Marty's house brought by Myles that evening. I was shocked that the vinyl version had probably a full octave lower than the CD version. Needless to say, I bought it and listened this afternoon. What an experience. Thanks Myles. :)

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Definitely.....the DCD Mofi SACD Box set that came out in 2008 is well worth having and includes this stunning disc if you can still find a copy;
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I also think "ANASTASIS" by DCD is one of their final albums to date; the RBCD version is a big surprise sonically, you would never know by listening this is not SACD or even more.....

Also like Brendan Perry's solo offerings (ARK, etc...) and most of what Lisa Gerrard has out there for solo work with her group and with other greats like Klause Schultze!
 
Hi Steve,

nice rediscovery there! here's my Go To Mahler 5th:
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But that's, like, um, a CD...!

The best Mahler is on multichannel SACDs and bluray. I doubt vinyl can do the dynamic range for Mahler.
 
But that's, like, um, a CD...!

My favorite Mahler 5th is also a CD - Simon Rattle with the Berlin Philharmonic. Actually in this symphony (and many others ...) digital rules.

Sir Simon Rattle is known to have said that in the Mahler 5th you don’t play what you read in the score - you must to play what it means. Was he an audiophile? :D
 
So many exceelent Mahler 5th's out there! A couple with fantastic sound are SACD's from Fischer (on Channel Classics) and Markus Stenz, and a bit more quirky sound from Temirkanov on Water Lily (also a SACD, not a remarkable performance either). The underdog's choice is Rudolph Barshai conducting the German Youth Philharmonic. Barbirolli is an idiosyncratic favorite of many listeners, including me ;)
 
I asked the question as to what people's go to version is because the one I played didn't come close to stirring my emotions.

I think either the Fischer or the Stenz are very worthwhile, best combination of sound and performance. I haven't heard the SACD of the Barbirolli, it's likely to cost about $200 if you want it. The CD is a couple of $ used. The Barshai CD is a little bit more (~$7) and well worth hearing.
 
My favorite Mahler 5th is also a CD - Simon Rattle with the Berlin Philharmonic. Actually in this symphony (and many others ...) digital rules.

Sir Simon Rattle is known to have said that in the Mahler 5th you don’t play what you read in the score - you must to play what it means. Was he an audiophile? :D

Interesting, I think i have Simon Rattle's Mahler 8th.
 
I asked the question as to what people's go to version is because the one I played didn't come close to stirring my emotions.

Well, for what its worth, i had not really listened to Mahler before and bought the Mahler 5th from Barbirolli (Esoteric Remaster) because i'd read from Penguin Guide very good things about the playing...and read very good things about Esoteric Remasters. So i figured 2 birds with 1 stone...i must have listened to that one 10 times in a row straight for 2-3 days.

(i have otherwise leaned towards Fischer (Channel Classics??) which are very well recorded/mastered and have a nice blend (for me) of a more cerebral approach with excellent macro/micro dynamics in the recording so that while i do not get the big swings of other conductors, at least i get a lot of emotive small/medium dynamics swings throughout the playing.)
 
I found this version of Mahler's Fifth in my library and listened to it late into the night Has anyone heard this version? It was very enjoyable. What is everyone's go to version of Mahler's Fifth

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The Abbado's entire Mahler cycle is fantastic. Digitally recorded with excellent sonics. The european pressings are the ones to get...
 
I found this version of Mahler's Fifth in my library and listened to it late into the night Has anyone heard this version? It was very enjoyable. What is everyone's go to version of Mahler's Fifth

Mahler’s Fifth is considered the first of Mahler’s mature works and as such it is a masterpiece of enormous proportions, Musical polar opposites are presented side by side - tragedy and joy, depression and mania, pain and pleasure, despair and hope, etc. In the words of Tony Duggan “It is such a supreme test for conductor and orchestra because it challenges them to explore extremes of expression whilst maintaining a unity of purpose that ultimately leads to satisfaction”. Of all his symphonies, the 5th probably travels the most emotional distance of all his works. As Herbert Von Karajan once observed: "When you get to the end you find you have forgotten what age you were when you started." It’s a tall order to conduct this well and cover all the emotional bases therefore it really separates the real Mahlerites from the wannabe’s. Most are good at the dramatic/tragic/dark end of the work but fewer appreciate the need to bring out the fantastic/joyful/light end that balances the piece across the whole range. Even less can balance the two perfectly.

That said, I have two favorites. Bernstein’s Fifth with the Vienna is a performance of thrilling power and eloquence. The huge dynamic range of the recording in the opening pages is indicative of what is to come. This is a performance that storms the heights and depths of this work like no other. It is no accident that Bernstein is single-handedly responsible for the dramatic rise in Mahler’s popularity as a composer in the latter part of the 20th century as he championed him vigorously throughout his career. Bernstein has an affinity for Mahler that is palpable and in this recording, it is as obvious as it gets. Simply put, Lenny owns this piece flat out. (Everyone probably knows that Mahler was a tormented Jew who lost his position as the conductor of the Vienna due to anti-semitism and then conducted the NY Philharmonic in the early 1900s; whereas Bernstein was tormented, Jewish and the conductor of the NY Phil in the mid 1900’s. That here, Bernstein is conducting the band that threw Mahler out is an irony which I have always appreciated).

However, Tony Duggan thinks that perhaps the greatest Mahler 5th is by a lesser known conductor Rudolf Barshai with the Junge Deutsche Philharmonie on Laurel and Brilliant Classics (93719). It is a live, one-off performance in 1999 where what the audience heard is what we hear. This may go some way towards making it the exceptional recording it is because the challenges of "live" performance often bring a sense of drama that no studio production can match. Now, ordinarily, you would not put a relatively unknown student orchestra in the same league with best orchestras to play Mahler, such as the Concertgebouw, the Vienna and the Berlin no matter how gifted. But one listen to this and you won’t care, the performance here is simply stunning. Whatever the reasons, it is a perfectly balanced rendition; powerful when it needs to be yet beautifully contemplative throughout as well.

My preference between these two probably depends more on the mood I am in when I listen than anything I can point to specifically in these equally fantastic versions.

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There are several more records that I heard last week while visiting Marty that I bought them all and they are gradually trickling in

Here is another one that I heard that I also own the version on a CD gold disk but the CD just pales in comparison to the record. The sonics are superb with an amazing soundstage of all 7 Weavers

The Weavers Reunion at Carnegie Hall 1963. Highly recommended

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I found this one in a library that I bought. I heard it last night after a thorough washing and it was clean and free of any ticks and pops. As always the sound of an RCA Living Stereo is superb and this one Tchaikovsky's Symphony Number 4

On RCA Victor Red Label

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Mahler’s Fifth is considered the first of Mahler’s mature works and as such it is a masterpiece of enormous proportions, Musical polar opposites are presented side by side - tragedy and joy, depression and mania, pain and pleasure, despair and hope, etc. In the words of Tony Duggan “It is such a supreme test for conductor and orchestra because it challenges them to explore extremes of expression whilst maintaining a unity of purpose that ultimately leads to satisfaction”. Of all his symphonies, the 5th probably travels the most emotional distance of all his works. As Herbert Von Karajan once observed: "When you get to the end you find you have forgotten what age you were when you started." It’s a tall order to conduct this well and cover all the emotional bases therefore it really separates the real Mahlerites from the wannabe’s. Most are good at the dramatic/tragic/dark end of the work but fewer appreciate the need to bring out the fantastic/joyful/light end that balances the piece across the whole range. Even less can balance the two perfectly.



That said, I have two favorites. Bernstein’s Fifth with the Vienna is a performance of thrilling power and eloquence. The huge dynamic range of the recording in the opening pages is indicative of what is to come. This is a performance that storms the heights and depths of this work like no other. It is no accident that Bernstein is single-handedly responsible for the dramatic rise in Mahler’s popularity as a composer in the latter part of the 20th century as he championed him vigorously throughout his career. Bernstein has an affinity for Mahler that is palpable and in this recording, it is as obvious as it gets. Simply put, Lenny owns this piece flat out. (Everyone probably knows that Mahler was a tormented Jew who lost his position as the conductor of the Vienna due to anti-semitism and then conducted the NY Philharmonic in the early 1900s; whereas Bernstein was tormented, Jewish and the conductor of the NY Phil in the mid 1900’s. That here, Bernstein is conducting the band that threw Mahler out is an irony which I have always appreciated).

However, Tony Duggan thinks that perhaps the greatest Mahler 5th is by a lesser known conductor Rudolf Barshai with the Junge Deutsche Philharmonie on Laurel and Brilliant Classics (93719). It is a live, one-off performance in 1999 where what the audience heard is what we hear. This may go some way towards making it the exceptional recording it is because the challenges of "live" performance often bring a sense of drama that no studio production can match. Now, ordinarily, you would not put a relatively unknown student orchestra in the same league with best orchestras to play Mahler, such as the Concertgebouw, the Vienna and the Berlin no matter how gifted. But one listen to this and you won’t care, the performance here is simply stunning. Whatever the reasons, it is a perfectly balanced rendition; powerful when it needs to be yet beautifully contemplative throughout as well.

My preference between these two probably depends more on the mood I am in when I listen than anything I can point to specifically in these equally fantastic versions.

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Marty

I also have Bernstein's and really like it but I am surprised you have it as it is remastered from 24/96 digital
 
Thanks, Marty! Big fan of Tony Duggan's writing, and have now ordered the Brilliant Classics of Mahler 5th & 10th for a few bucks. I listened very briefly to this 5th on youtube...amazingly promising!!! thanks again for that.

Mahler’s Fifth is considered the first of Mahler’s mature works and as such it is a masterpiece of enormous proportions, Musical polar opposites are presented side by side - tragedy and joy, depression and mania, pain and pleasure, despair and hope, etc. In the words of Tony Duggan “It is such a supreme test for conductor and orchestra because it challenges them to explore extremes of expression whilst maintaining a unity of purpose that ultimately leads to satisfaction”. Of all his symphonies, the 5th probably travels the most emotional distance of all his works. As Herbert Von Karajan once observed: "When you get to the end you find you have forgotten what age you were when you started." It’s a tall order to conduct this well and cover all the emotional bases therefore it really separates the real Mahlerites from the wannabe’s. Most are good at the dramatic/tragic/dark end of the work but fewer appreciate the need to bring out the fantastic/joyful/light end that balances the piece across the whole range. Even less can balance the two perfectly.

That said, I have two favorites. Bernstein’s Fifth with the Vienna is a performance of thrilling power and eloquence. The huge dynamic range of the recording in the opening pages is indicative of what is to come. This is a performance that storms the heights and depths of this work like no other. It is no accident that Bernstein is single-handedly responsible for the dramatic rise in Mahler’s popularity as a composer in the latter part of the 20th century as he championed him vigorously throughout his career. Bernstein has an affinity for Mahler that is palpable and in this recording, it is as obvious as it gets. Simply put, Lenny owns this piece flat out. (Everyone probably knows that Mahler was a tormented Jew who lost his position as the conductor of the Vienna due to anti-semitism and then conducted the NY Philharmonic in the early 1900s; whereas Bernstein was tormented, Jewish and the conductor of the NY Phil in the mid 1900’s. That here, Bernstein is conducting the band that threw Mahler out is an irony which I have always appreciated).

However, Tony Duggan thinks that perhaps the greatest Mahler 5th is by a lesser known conductor Rudolf Barshai with the Junge Deutsche Philharmonie on Laurel and Brilliant Classics (93719). It is a live, one-off performance in 1999 where what the audience heard is what we hear. This may go some way towards making it the exceptional recording it is because the challenges of "live" performance often bring a sense of drama that no studio production can match. Now, ordinarily, you would not put a relatively unknown student orchestra in the same league with best orchestras to play Mahler, such as the Concertgebouw, the Vienna and the Berlin no matter how gifted. But one listen to this and you won’t care, the performance here is simply stunning. Whatever the reasons, it is a perfectly balanced rendition; powerful when it needs to be yet beautifully contemplative throughout as well.

My preference between these two probably depends more on the mood I am in when I listen than anything I can point to specifically in these equally fantastic versions.

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