Entreq Tellus grounding

Fortunately I was not the only one to be confused - thanks Mike!

Can we assume that you are only grounding the preamplifier to the Entreq? How do you connect the Entreq to the mains ground?

Entreq is conceptualized as a 'signal' ground, intended for use for grounding on the signal path....which is why the cables are designed to use unused input plugs and why the Entreq is not connected to the power grid ground thru a duplex outlet.....it just sits there as it's own end point. not to say it cannot be used with power grid or chassis ground, it's just not it's intended use. there is nothing to prevent one from getting a cable with a spade on both ends and trying a chassis or power grid ground with the Entreq.

the Troy OTOH is designed primarily as a power grid/chassis ground and uses a power cord into a duplex outlet to connect to the power grid ground. not to say you cannot connect the Troy to a input plug like the Entreq....but it's not the way it was conceptualized.

as we go down this whole subject area i expect we will see both systems covering both types of grounding and at some point new truths will present themselves.
 
Entreq is conceptualized as a 'signal' ground, intended for use for grounding on the signal path....which is why the cables are designed to use unused input plugs and why the Entreq is not connected to the power grid ground thru a duplex outlet.....it just sits there as it's own end point. not to say it cannot be used with power grid or chassis ground, it's just not it's intended use. there is nothing to prevent one from getting a cable with a spade on both ends and trying a chassis or power grid ground with the Entreq.

the Troy OTOH is designed primarily as a power grid/chassis ground and uses a power cord into a duplex outlet to connect to the power grid ground. not to say you cannot connect the Troy to a input plug like the Entreq....but it's not the way it was conceptualized.

as we go down this whole subject area i expect we will see both systems covering both types of grounding and at some point new truths will present themselves.

So your Tellus is just connected to the NS18 using two wires terminated by a RCA plug? Nothing else?
 
So your Tellus is just connected to the NS18 using two wires terminated by a RCA plug? Nothing else?

exactly correct. the Apollo RCA plug simply has a piece of wire attached to the outside of the ground part of the RCA plug which then connects to the ground on the female input plug on the 18NS. very simple and totally passive. the Silver Tellus Box just sits there as it's own little earth....

why does it work so well?

don't know, don't care.:D:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
exactly correct. the Apollo RCA plug simply has a piece of wire attached to the outside of the ground part of the RCA plug which then connects to the ground on the female input plug on the 18NS. very simple and totally passive. the Silver Tellus Box just sits there as it's own little earth....

why does it work so well?

don't know, don't care.:D:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Thanks. It should go on my wish to try soon list.
 
Mike, you can ground the mains via the Entreq Cleanus passive ground filter device. It sports a captured power cord which plugs into your grid/transformer/multiway, and is grounded via an Apollo or Atlantis lead back to the S. Tellus. I'll be trying it out soon.
 
Dmnc02, so I need sufficient capacity to ground my dual mono line stage (2 Atlantis - 4 spades), Straingauge energiser/phono (1 Atlantis - 2 spades), cdp (1 Atlantis - 2 spades), monoblock SETs (2 Atlantis - 4 spades), Zu sub amps (2 Atlantis - 4 spades). If I want to add on an Atlantis box per S. Tellus used, that's another spare terminal per S. Tellus need, likewise if I want to ground a Cleanus from the mains back to a S. Tellus. I surmise that in my configuration, 3 S. Tellus would be the ideal fit, w/up to 3 Atlantis add-on boxes.
 
How much of an impact did the Atlantis Tellus make in your system?

The immediate effect was not quite as noticeable as in previous Entreq additions to the system but after a day or two a distinct improvement became apparent and continued before peaking after about a week. I think the best way to describe is to say it noticeably reinforced and and added to the earlier improvements in all the ways described in Mike's recent post on his experiences and which I won't try to improve upon. I am pretty sure that that was the effects of the Atlantis box and two Atlantis cables to each Silver Tellus bedding/burning in.
I should, however, add and make clear that my system is I think the most comprehensively Entreq grounded system of any WBF member in that in addition to the component grounding all the interconnects are Apollo balanced and connected to one Silver Tellus, the speaker cables are also Entreq and grounded to a Silver Minimus and all but two of the audio components (amp and U Clock) use Entreq power cables.
So there is in aggregate considerable grounding capacity and the resultant "intensity" of sound referred to by others and no extraneous noise to degrade the sound quality. The Carmels are very open and revealing, the Vitus SIA 025 is a great amp but the scale and depth of the bass does not match much bigger and more expensive speakers. I am also fortunate that the room's accoutics are very good with no nasties.
I am not seeking to start an argument with other members' cable choices but I consider the Entreq range to be fully competitive with any others in the same price range and much more user friendly than other stiff and much more rigid cables.
Both Lloyd and me have had reports of a number a high end audiophiles changing to Entreq cables including Nordost Odin user here in the UK.At the present time auditioning Entreq i/cs and speaker cables in the USA is not easily possible but I imagine that Stillpoints and Entreq will once they are over the initial stages in the USA start to make the rest of their range available.
Upgrading to balanced Apollo i/cs in my system resulted in a BIG jump in sound quality and I am awaiting delivery of a biwire set of Challenger speaker cables which I confidently expect to give a similar scale of further improvement.
If members want to explore that a bit more the Lotus Hifi site which Christian drew attention to earlier sets out the UK prices for all the Entreq products with, last time I checked the exception of the Receivus - £400 and the newly introduced Olympos.
As I say my experience and for info!
 
Barry, I was close to buying Entreq ic's, pc's and spkr cables, but for a variety of reasons ended up choosing Sablon Audio. A big plus point is not having to find the budget to ground these Entreq cables w/ground leads, and the extra S. tells thus needed, as they are designed to be installed.
 
Dmnc02, so I need sufficient capacity to ground my dual mono line stage (2 Atlantis - 4 spades), Straingauge energiser/phono (1 Atlantis - 2 spades), cdp (1 Atlantis - 2 spades), monoblock SETs (2 Atlantis - 4 spades), Zu sub amps (2 Atlantis - 4 spades). If I want to add on an Atlantis box per S. Tellus used, that's another spare terminal per S. Tellus need, likewise if I want to ground a Cleanus from the mains back to a S. Tellus. I surmise that in my configuration, 3 S. Tellus would be the ideal fit, w/up to 3 Atlantis add-on boxes.

Spirit, I do wish there was a clearly laid out suggested progression with Entreq. At this point, based on the feedback posted so far, I am thinking of reserving a Silver Tellus for the line and phono stage and another Silver Tellus for the digital gear. Then (possibly) a third one for the amps. This seems consistent with what you say above. At some point, experimentation with a Cleanus and an Atlantis Tellus will also come into play. I am not exactly sure about the sequence yet.
 
The immediate effect was not quite as noticeable as in previous Entreq additions to the system but after a day or two a distinct improvement became apparent and continued before peaking after about a week. I think the best way to describe is to say it noticeably reinforced and and added to the earlier improvements in all the ways described in Mike's recent post on his experiences and which I won't try to improve upon. I am pretty sure that that was the effects of the Atlantis box and two Atlantis cables to each Silver Tellus bedding/burning in.
I should, however, add and make clear that my system is I think the most comprehensively Entreq grounded system of any WBF member in that in addition to the component grounding all the interconnects are Apollo balanced and connected to one Silver Tellus, the speaker cables are also Entreq and grounded to a Silver Minimus and all but two of the audio components (amp and U Clock) use Entreq power cables.
So there is in aggregate considerable grounding capacity and the resultant "intensity" of sound referred to by others and no extraneous noise to degrade the sound quality. The Carmels are very open and revealing, the Vitus SIA 025 is a great amp but the scale and depth of the bass does not match much bigger and more expensive speakers. I am also fortunate that the room's accoutics are very good with no nasties.
I am not seeking to start an argument with other members' cable choices but I consider the Entreq range to be fully competitive with any others in the same price range and much more user friendly than other stiff and much more rigid cables.
Both Lloyd and me have had reports of a number a high end audiophiles changing to Entreq cables including Nordost Odin user here in the UK.At the present time auditioning Entreq i/cs and speaker cables in the USA is not easily possible but I imagine that Stillpoints and Entreq will once they are over the initial stages in the USA start to make the rest of their range available.
Upgrading to balanced Apollo i/cs in my system resulted in a BIG jump in sound quality and I am awaiting delivery of a biwire set of Challenger speaker cables which I confidently expect to give a similar scale of further improvement.
If members want to explore that a bit more the Lotus Hifi site which Christian drew attention to earlier sets out the UK prices for all the Entreq products with, last time I checked the exception of the Receivus - £400 and the newly introduced Olympos.
As I say my experience and for info!

Thank you for the very detailed answer and great info.
 
Barry, I was close to buying Entreq ic's, pc's and spkr cables, but for a variety of reasons ended up choosing Sablon Audio. A big plus point is not having to find the budget to ground these Entreq cables as they are designed to be.
I can understand that Marc, but the advantage of going for the Entreq cables is the cumulative increase in grounding/ noise removal quite apart from all their other virtues.
 
Sure. Will be interesting to see where Olympos will fit into the hierarchy. I believe it will be a one box solution for preamps esp, w/no need for Atlantis add on box. However my dual mono line stage if I use Atlantis leads will need 2 terminals to support 2 twin Atlantis spades, and the Olympos is just 1 terminal.
 
Olympus will be their flagship ground box , the released Olmpus model is the equivalent of the Minimus , with I think the ability to ground 2 components to a single binding post . The big daddy full blown statement wil be released soon , pricing I believe in the Troy Sig range . It will consist of 5 binding posts and yes the Atlantis box will futher super charge it's performance.
 
Olympus will be their flagship ground box , the released Olmpus model is the equivalent of the Minimus , with I think the ability to ground 2 components to a single binding post . The big daddy full blown statement wil be released soon , pricing I believe in the Troy Sig range . It will consist of 5 binding posts and yes the Atlantis box will futher super charge it's performance.

Thank you for the info.
 
I guess we need to wait for Olympus before deciding on an Atlantis super charger box....hehe

I agree. I guess the Olympos will eventually be used for the critical phono/line stage grounding and the Silver Tellus will be moved to alternative use.
 
OMG!!! I don't care how you cut it, that is TERRIBLE :p! There are WAY too many absorbent materials in her listening room :eek:. And by the look on her face, she's seeking REAL satisfaction, better off trying Troy :rolleyes:!
 
Welcome C'Paolo, you'll potentially hear benefits after a few moments, but yes, the major benefits kick in after 48hrs. My suggestion is not to listen critically i.e. looking for things, but let the music just wash over you, and if you get drawn in more/relax more, Entreq is weaving it's spell.
Btw, is this an after market tweak, the "blowing" on cable terminations, re pic above? Not sure what the objective/measurements crowd will make of it! I'm getting "expectation bias" already, and it's a Hell of a nice feeling :eek::b!!!
 

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