Entreq Tellus grounding

The bass was completely off. This made continued listening something I just couldn't do.
Now I have to find something that can restore the image and clarity I no longer have.

I found that after using the Entreq gear, it changed the character of my system sufficiently that changes elsewhere were subsequently necessary in order to fully enjoy the benefits of the Entreq gear whilst adjusting for the resulting changes in sonic character. I don't consider this a shortcoming of Entreq as much it was me setting up the system previously to compensate for existing shortcomings (there is no such thing as a perfect system in my book - nothing is perfect though the best systems obviously come extremely close).

Prior to using the Entreq gear my system lacked overall resolution when playing CD (in relative terms - not absolute) and whilst the bass was OK in relative terms to the rest of the spectrum, it lacked resolution to an even greater extent to the rest of the spectrum (especially treble) which sometimes made it annoying and overly warm - almost like a bass-reflex speaker put in a large room with too much reflection. Mind you, many titles I own were not effected but titles from record labels known for prominent bass such as Reference Recordings and also Decca classical releases from the late analogue era in the 70s were the ones where the effects were most annoying.

But my previous "tweaking" of the system resulted in me using an Audioquest Yosemite interconnect cable for a couple of years. This cable is extremely clear (for mid-priced copper) but it does not resolve like high end silver does, the top end is very benign and friendly to bad source material as opposed to being surgically precise and the bass tends to be very warm compared to a direct connection. It is the sort of cable you would use in a system that tended towards bright and grainy because it is such a good antidote in these cases and it is a good antidote if a lot of the recordings in your library are mediocre. After adding the Entreq gear, however, the system no longer needed the sort of compensation afforded by using the Yosemite cable because the Entreq gear removed those last traces of grain and the clarity became sufficient in it's own right. I was then left with a system that was too warm, too polite and a bit too fat sounding even though the Entreq had improved resolution, improved timbre, improved imaging and removed the last of the grain. But as soon as I bought a Wireworld Gold Eclipse (pure silver), everything was not only nicely balanced once again, but all the benefits of the Entreq gear were preserved.

On the other hand, if I remove the Entreq gear, the Wireworld Gold Eclipse no longer synergises well with the system because it tilts the spectrum the wrong way. It becomes grainier and leaner and these things are accentuated by the silver interconnect.

So for me at least it is all about synergy and a lot of experimentation is required. I would be willing to bet that you could achieve exactly what you want by finding the right combination of the earthing cables and interconnect cables and possibly mains cables as well. But I realise this is expensive. It is far too expensive an exercise for me and I think some of what I achieved was something halfway between a well-educated guess of the end result and a minor fluke (but I only say fluke because I got it right the second time around and the total cost was "only" the Entreq gear and the new interconnect).

In my opinion, in itself the Entreq gear cannot "wreck" the bass on a system. But like any other component you add, it will change the character and that may or may not point the system in the direction you want. As I say, I could go back to a copper interconnect and I would not like my system for some of the time (but it would be OK a lot of the time too). But I want it right all of the time if possible, no matter whether I am playing a recording made in 1958 by DGG or a Reference Recording made last year. So I would much rather fork out for the silver interconnect than go back to a system with the copper interconnect and no Entreq. Because the Entreq with the Wireworld pure silver is a step up in quality that belies the price I paid for those two products.
 
Good read FF and does make sense too ! Cheers
 
MY Loan time ran out and the Olympus was returned to my dealer.I didn't ask for an extension as I felt the Olympus Just Wasn't for me.I may have been a little quick on the trigger and maybe I should have given it more time.
F F I do understand that a change or an addition of one component might bring the need for a change (and usually does) some where else in the chain.
My power cords are WyWires HC Silver for my amps and Stealth Full for Turntable and pre.Speaker cables and Interconncts are also Stealth.
I didn't get a chance to use any of my Classical 60 &70's Lps nor any Jazz recordings from the same era.For the audition I used mostly Rock and Pop That I am familiar with.
Simply Red
Steely Dan
The Eagles
Phoebe Snow
Roberta Flack
Well I did listen to some Bill Evans and Chet Baker
The results were the same on each Lp. Emphasis on un natural mid bass that over rode all the positives I was hearing with the Entreq.
Thank you for your post.Enjoyed reading it
Barry and.....I used the Apollo ground cable with the Olympus
 
Thanks Goldeneraguy
Apollo earth cables are usually a safe bet but there is plenty of experience of the less costly earth cables providing a better match to particular systems and Entreq openly acknowledge that which is pretty rare in the audio world.
So worth persevering.


I'm not familiar with the cables you are using. Mine are all Entreq but obviously that's not an option for you,
As Fiddle Faddle found it may be that the Olympus/Apollo combination doesn't match with what you have but it would be worth having a chat with your dealer to see if he will let you try a different combination.
I would have thought he would and he may have some experience of your current cables and suggest a suitable alternative. I have some Challenger earth cables on my Entreq Athena which have worked very well and my supplier speaks highly of them. They are cheaper than the Apollo and may well better match your system compared with the Apollo. There's a good chance your dealer would let you try a couple of alternatives as I would expect he is aware of matching issues.
A more expensive option but not mega more would be a Silver Tellus which enables you to ground more of the system.
Pardon me if I appear to be banging on but in my experience getting the right Entreq combination for a system rarely fails to make a big and positive difference, but obviously it's for you to decide.
 
Thanks Goldeneraguy
Apollo earth cables are usually a safe bet but there is plenty of experience of the less costly earth cables providing a better match to particular systems and Entreq openly acknowledge that which is pretty rare in the audio world.
So worth persevering.


I'm not familiar with the cables you are using. Mine are all Entreq but obviously that's not an option for you,
As Fiddle Faddle found it may be that the Olympus/Apollo combination doesn't match with what you have but it would be worth having a chat with your dealer to see if he will let you try a different combination.
I would have thought he would and he may have some experience of your current cables and suggest a suitable alternative. I have some Challenger earth cables on my Entreq Athena which have worked very well and my supplier speaks highly of them. They are cheaper than the Apollo and may well better match your system compared with the Apollo. There's a good chance your dealer would let you try a couple of alternatives as I would expect he is aware of matching issues.
A more expensive option but not mega more would be a Silver Tellus which enables you to ground more of the system.
Pardon me if I appear to be banging on but in my experience getting the right Entreq combination for a system rarely fails to make a big and positive difference, but obviously it's for you to decide.

No Pardon necessary I appreciate your posts.
As the Entreq has already been returned I hesitate to ask my dealer for another loan with different a ground cable and then find the result has not changed.It may be as he said when I told him of my experience.Not a quote but something like ,well it doesn't work for everyone.And he would be correct.
My components that I failed to list in my last post are
Tron Syren full function (Original)
deHavilland 845 amps
TW Acustic GT upgraded turntable
TW 10.5 arm
Horning Aristotles speakers
Ortofon Winfield cartridge
Lps from the 50's,60's and 70's
All the above bring me great joy
 
Thanks for that
You obviously have a good system and I would be surprised if the right Entreq combination didn't improve it.
Any decent dealer shouldn't have any problem with you asking to try a different combination so ask him. In this hobby trying again to get it right is pretty well the norm!
 
Goldeneraguy I'm sorry it failed in your system. As others have stated I think if you had had more time things may have turned out differently. This is one aspect of Entreq that make optimal matching difficult to say the least.
I've bought used thus avoiding break in even. used prices are very dear to my modest budget but I find in my system Entreq a true value.
 
In what way do users find works best connecting to your gear? I need a cable not sure what one to use.
I have two Silver Tellus and one Atlantis. They are in a vertical stack the Atlantis in between the two Silver Tellus.
For my amp I have an Eartha Silver cable with one spade and two RCA's that connect one Tellus Silver to my VAC integrated amp. I connected the RCA's to one LEFT and one RIGHT unused input RCA's at my VAC and the single spade to the Silver Tellus. THis works very well.
For my Modwright Oppo I have the Atlantis connected to a Silver Tellus with its special cable (spade-spade). I have an unknown Entreq cable with a spade to USB. It works OK. I have read and been told a spade to RCA would provide better results.
What are your thoughts?
 
Hi Mossback
I have an Atlantis Tellus and two Silver Tellus all on separate shelves but I am not aware of any problems in your locating your Atlantis Tellus between the two Silver Tellus. I have the Atlantis connected to both Silver Tellus with two spade cables so it boosts both. You might wish to consider that.
I am not sure why you have two Silver Tellus. One should suffice. The only possible advantage that I can see is with two you keep the digital Oppo completely separate from the rest but I'm not sure that makes much difference.You could always use a single Silver Minimus for the Oppo.
I agree with what you gave been told about changing the earth cable to a spade to RCA on the Oppo.
You may like to consider trading in one of the Silver Tellus for better earth cables and earth all the sources which should be an improvement.
A more expensive option for trade in would be one Silver Tellus for a Poseidon and three earth cables for negative amp/ speaker grounding which was a really successful upgrade for me and others have endorsed that.The amp would probably be the best option for the third terminal which is what I do with my Vitus SIA 025 integrated amp,
In my experience the Apollo earth cables are very good but obviously one of the more expensive options. Less expensive but good are the Challenger earth cables.
I hope that is helpful but come back to me if anything is not clear.
 
Barry .... Since you already have the Posiedon, try the Atlantis Minimus on it A worthwhile uptick in sound , for not much outlay ! You will need two , one for each isolated compartment .
 
Barry, thank you for that detailed reply. What you said was helpful.
I realize one Tellus would adiquitly service several audio units.
A friend found using one Tellus connected to one unit worked very well. I was able to buy a reasonably priced local used silver tellus with atlantis so took a chance.
I'll follow your suggestion. I have two high quality silver wires will connect my second tellus to the Atlantis.
There is a dealer close by who may allow me to try an apolo cable (spade to RCAx2 or two spade to RCA)
 
Thanks Mossback.
I'm glad that was helpful.
I thought the second Silver Tellus had become available in the way you have explained.
Hopefully your local dealer will see the advantages of letting you try the Apollo earth leads and I will look forward to hearing how it goes.
Good luck and happy listening.
 
I've finally got my hands on a Poseidon! I've moved two Atlantis Eartha cables over from a Silver Tellus so each one of these is connected to a spare RCA port on each Devialet unit. So straight signal grounding as opposed to negative speaker returns.

Wow, what can I say?! This is a whole new level of Entreq-ness. Listening to Stacey Kent the sound is so laid back and sweet, delicate, natural... sublime! With other material the bass is simply wonderful, with orchestral music it's more dramatic and intense. And I have switched SAM off!

This is quite a big step up from the Atlantis/Silver Tellus combo.

Adding the Apollo ground cable (that previously connected my totaldac d1 server to a Silver Tellus), I get even more improvement to the sound.

Guillaume
 
I've finally got my hands on a Poseidon! I've moved two Atlantis Eartha cables over from a Silver Tellus so each one of these is connected to a spare RCA port on each Devialet unit. So straight signal grounding as opposed to negative speaker returns.

Wow, what can I say?! This is a whole new level of Entreq-ness. Listening to Stacey Kent the sound is so laid back and sweet, delicate, natural... sublime! With other material the bass is simply wonderful, with orchestral music it's more dramatic and intense. And I have switched SAM off!

This is quite a big step up from the Atlantis/Silver Tellus combo.

Adding the Apollo ground cable (that previously connected my totaldac d1 server to a Silver Tellus), I get even more improvement to the sound.

Guillaume
Thats GREAT
Dont know why Entreq Olympus didn't work for me.Do you listen to Digital or Analog ?
 
Great news Guillaume.
The Poseidon made a big difference to my system used for amp (integrated Vitus 025) signal and negative speaker terminal grounding.
Do you plan to try that to see how it compares with your present set up?
 
Thats GREAT
Dont know why Entreq Olympus didn't work for me.Do you listen to Digital or Analog ?

My rig is all digital: Devialet Original d'Atelier with Totaldac d1 server and sonicTransporter running Roon server.

Guillaume
 
Great news Guillaume.
The Poseidon made a big difference to my system used for amp (integrated Vitus 025) signal and negative speaker terminal grounding.
Do you plan to try that to see how it compares with your present set up?

Hi Barry, I might start running out of grounding posts! With only 3 posts on the Poseidon I don't think I can do both signal and negative speaker terminal grounding. I also need to get some spade to spade Eartha cables for this, at the moment I am using 2x Atlantis RCA Earthas (for the Devialets) and 1x Apollo (for the d1 server).

More than happy with what I am hearing. Eventually I may get some additional Olympus Minimus boxes or another Poseidon...

Guillaume
 
Just picked up a Powerus Challenger 3V.

So far promising and much better than my previous reference.
 

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