Fremer says 9" arms are inherently superior?
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I agree that people started making up all sorts of assumptions. We are left wondering. Now we will never know.
It seems perfectly straightforward to me.
Mike auditioned the SAT, and by a fair margin it beat any other arm he’s auditioned, whether 9”, 10.5”, 12”, 14”, or air bearing.
It so happens it’s one of the few, if only arms, where the designer overtly declares 9” preferable to any other length. And that attention to engineering and material science provides advantages that longer arms can’t provide, so having more advantages than the ones purported for longer arms over 9” ones.
And indeed Mike hears these advantages, and goes further to demonstrate plainly via his digital rips that tracking errors with it are so minimal as to be passable, all the while the 9” arm having all the advantages inherent in a 9” arm.
And concludes that SAT is his favourite arm and the choices the designer has made in deciding not to go longer are compelling.
And that’s about it, what is exactly so hard for the skeptical and confused out there to understand?
Mike auditioned the SAT, and by a fair margin it beat any other arm he’s auditioned, whether 9”, 10.5”, 12”, 14”, or air bearing.
It so happens it’s one of the few, if only arms, where the designer overtly declares 9” preferable to any other length. And that attention to engineering and material science provides advantages that longer arms can’t provide, so having more advantages than the ones purported for longer arms over 9” ones.
And indeed Mike hears these advantages, and goes further to demonstrate plainly via his digital rips that tracking errors with it are so minimal as to be passable, all the while the 9” arm having all the advantages inherent in a 9” arm.
And concludes that SAT is his favourite arm and the choices the designer has made in deciding not to go longer are compelling.
And that’s about it, what is exactly so hard for the skeptical and confused out there to understand?
Michael, you really need to read the various threads more carefully.
Unfortunately, you are confusing me with another member and his posts on another thread. That’s ok, but I think you have severely overreacted on this thread.
BTW, I never brought you here, but if you like to believe that... I guess that’s ok.
Like Rockitman stated above, I think you really didn’t have much intention of participating anyhow.
Call me a simple idiot if you must, but has anyone considered the possibility that certain arms are better in one length variant than another and therefore the length question is arm specific? Can I just give a disclaimer that I am not convinced one way or the other, and by default normally have mostly 9 inch arms, 2 10.5's and one 12 inch arm - but they are all different. It's not a case of saying that 1 teaspoon of salt is ideal for any dish that you serve?
Ron although I would agree it would be great to have him contribute I really enjoy his articles
By the same token can we accept someone who swears at people on this thread, I know there was lively debate , but he is a big boy and has a wealth of information, which he can use to defend his views, without swearing at people ?
Michael, DaveyF is speaking for his own himself with his own words; he is not speaking for anyone else, not for me, not for WBF, for no one but him.
If I was a designer of audio products I would accommodate all my customers of their desires, and I would do my best to do so with the highest set of ethics, quality products, ...all that jazz.
Audio is fun because of all the variables in personal taste.
Don't go because one individual has a weakness, it would be weak to follow that trend. You are not the weak type, to the contrary, you are the force, one of a positive kind.
Sincerely,
I agree with both of the above observations. It really is about materials, manufacturing technique, and design which are all dynamic in nature. Observations about length's correlation to performance are certainly not static in this regard. Variation does exist from approach to approach even with a particular manufacturer. A lot of people consider Frank Kuzma's 14' his best work. I chose the 12 inch TA-9000 after I asked JV if I should put the Graham Elite or Kuzma 4 Pt on my new Ascona. He said neither and told me to get Frank's new TA-9000 arm. I asked Frank which length and I have the 12 inch, but he is doing some unique things to address the negative effects of length. I was not in a position to compare all these permutations on my system but I am one happy camper nonetheless.
Ya Mike did seem a tad grumpy today but its the fact that he has great passion about his job and this hobby that makes him so special IMO. Just sayin......
DaveyF: Michael has withdrawn from the forum. Great work, guys! You sure showed him a thing or two! I hope you are proud of yourselves!
Don't lecture me on how unreasonable or impatient you think Michael was, and how magnanimous and fair-minded you all were. I won't be listening.
+1
Michael came here from his own free will and some of the comments I've read here were totally out-of-bounce, sounding like a drug addict from another planet of his own imagination.
I've read very attentively every single post. There wasn't a friendly/smart field offered by Davey to Michael.
It wasn't fair @ all. It was wrong, plain wrong.
I feel great sadness for the right reason, and I am 100% with Michael.
I hope he reconsider because I have much more positive learning to get from Michael than Davey's negative attitude.
I don't usually say stuff like this but here I had to. Words matter, a lot.
Davey, realise the impact of your ideas of inferior products, what you've said, and it adds zero benefit to anyone. This is ultra high end audio with ultra high end people's class. This is a world you know, this is the world you live in, this is the people you build friendships with, creating bonds.
I swear, I'm seeing unfriendly stars sometimes. And I believe that I'm not the only one. I put myself in Michael's shoes and I just don't need the aggravation.
He'll be back; he has a big human heart, bigger than the stratosphere.
You can tell in a man, woman and child, by their sense of humor rising above everything else. ...The true power of good living @ its very best.
We don't downsize people, we elevate them from their positive contribution to the society. ...Something encouraging like that...for the better peace of living together than talk words of animosity.
Words truly matter, big time baby. ...Hell yeah.
You sure got that right Paul. You don't mess with someone's passion and dedication and life. You learn to take the time in advancing your knowledge from them.
This is no Hollywood movie, this is real life.
His entire attitude during his brief membership....mean spirited and defensive to a degree.
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