Ack, don't be taken off by the low price of the Sony X800 universal 4K Blu-ray player.
Its picture quality rivals my Oppo 205 player.
But if you must have the very best picture quality, then go with the Panasonic 9000 4K player; it lists for four times the price of the Sony X800 universal player. There is a thread dedicated specifically to that player.
The Sony X800 is just that good, very. Around Christmas it should be on sale for roughly $150.
The only thing missing is Dolby Vision.
Oppo is no more, but Panasonic is (820 & 9000), and Pioneer LX500. ...And Sony X800.
Cambridge has one too, based on the Oppo 203.
Sorry, but it's impossible today to buy a 4K Blu-ray player that costs more than a thousand bucks.
There is simply no high end market for such video players. In Audio it's just the total
Oppo-site. C'est la vie; music lives, films they give us super high emotions in 4K for peanuts.
I wish I was a video product designer for the ultra high end market; I see great investment potential there. ...For the very ultra rich people...millionaires and billionaires.
I looked up HDR and it looks like there is a highly recommended 4K TV (TCL 55S517 ROKU TV) which sells for $450, that I could replace my old 43" Westinghouse 720p TV in the bedroom. Prices seem to be on a downward spiral on 4K TV's. Not an OLED, and no 3D (I actually have only one 3D movie - Avatar) and I tried to watch a couple of channels two or three years ago that broadcast 3D. 3D was pretty disappointing and I haven't tried since. Probably will wait on the front projection replacement.
We really liked the first Planet Earth movie on bluray, and everyone says the Planet Earth II movie in 4K is spectacular. (We sat two seats from David Attenborough last May in a concert of Bach Cantatas in London. He was quite spry at 94 or so and talking to admirers who came up to him at intermission.)
We currently have Xfinity Cable and Amazon Prime. We don't watch much TV (I think about 10-20 hours so far in 2018), but some blurays and regular DVDs. How does the upscaling on 4K TV work with blurays? Your judgement of degree of improvement of watching a regular bluray on a 1080p TV, regular bluray on at 4K TV with HDR, and a 4K bluray on a 4K TV with HDR. Does the upscaled regular bluray/4K get you half way to a full 4K bluray/4K experience?
I have the Panasonic UB820 and love it. It replaced my previous Panasonic UHD player (forget the model) which is just gathering dust.
So my problem with the Sony X800, which I have not discussed in detail yet, is that it has a bad reputation of locking up, even with the latest firmware updates. So I have been looking at the Panasonics...
How does the upscaling on 4K TV work with blurays? Your judgement of degree of improvement of watching a regular bluray on a 1080p TV, regular bluray on at 4K TV with HDR, and a 4K bluray on a 4K TV with HDR. Does the upscaled regular bluray/4K get you half way to a full 4K bluray/4K experience?
One of my concerns was potentially throwing money away, should HD picture quality actually drop. This is just not the case. I have been swapping between my Kuro and the new Sony and there is just no comparison. Moreover, I will clone a couple of blu-rays, then play them simultaneously on the two TVs: one blu-ray player will feed the 4K Sony, the other (yes I have two) the 2K plasma - for an easy A/B test.
Sony Sony XBR65A8F calibration settings
So I had the A8F ISF-calibrated, and although the resulting graphs look very close to ideal, the picture is nowhere near as good and natural as my own calibration using the naked eye and some basic video knowledge. So I inherited some of the final pro color calibrations into mine, and here are the settings, for anyone who cares, and most apply to all inputs but there are variations:
Picture mode: Custom
Auto picture mode: Off
Contrast: 80 (cable), 85 (all others)
Gamma: 0 or -1
Color: 43 (cable), 48 (all others)
Black level: 50
Black adjust: Low
Adv. contrast enhancer: Off
Peak luminance: Medium
Color temp: Warm
G-bias: -4 (human eyes are most sensitive to green)
Color gamma adjustment points 10 thru 1 [R,G,B offsets]: 10[0,-3,0], 9[0,0,0], 8[0,0,0], 7[0,0,0], 6[4,1,0], 5[0,-1,0], 4[0,-2,0], 3[0,-1,0], 2[-4,0,0], 1[-20,0,0]
Live color: Off
Sharpness: 45 (cable), 50 (all others)
Reality Creation: Manual, Resolution 30
Random noise reduction: Low
Digital noise reduction: low
Smooth gradation: Low
MotionFlow: Smooth, Smoothness: 3, Clearness: Low
CineMotion: Low (higher settings can produce visible interpolation pixelation with fast-moving scenes; the A9F with the faster processor should be able to do better here)
Light sensor: Off
All other defaults
Good calibration content is Casino Royale and 4K youtube walk-around videos, like those by GlobeTrotterAlpha and Nature Relaxation Films - it's really great to see the world through the eyes of these great videographers.
Finally, OLED outperforms the already excellent Kuro plasma by a considerable margin in everything.
Once I have a few more hours on my Sony I will attempt to adjust per your settings. Although a different setting and room, I am hopeful that this will be somewhat meaningless to the final result.
I am noticing the same thing, too bright and over-saturated colors. I have already turned the brightness down, mine was set to max at the factory! Nonetheless, on the 4K picture, it does look really good. Hopefully once burned in, I will have the ability to adjust out the saturation.BTW, I am using an ARC HDMI return to my Onkyo receiver, for some reason this fails to give me an audio signal, so the installer set up an optical return for the audio. He tells me the Sony ARC return is not compatible with the Onkyo ARC input,anyone else having an issue like this?Indeed, the TV needs quite a few hours to break in; the first 20 or so were really challenging to watch. I can tell you, for me the ISF calibration continues to be tough to watch - too bright and the colors are over-saturated.
Burn-in issues have existed with any technology. This Sony has a pixel-shift feature, which must not be turned off. I would tend to think the lower-end OLED models on the market would eschew things like that, and you get what you pay for.
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