Gryphon PowerZone 3

[b345t]

I’m seriously considering purchasing the 3.20. The slight brightness is not something I want, as I am a running Focal maestro evo. Does this go down after full burn in? At this budget we are firmly in the Stromtank territory and I actually auditioned an s1000 and it was quite amazing, however also slightly sterile at times.

 

[Paul172]

I’m seriously considering purchasing the 3.20. The slight brightness is not something I want, as I am a running Focal maestro evo. Does this go down after full burn in? At this budget we are firmly in the Stromtank territory and I actually auditioned an s1000 and it was quite amazing, however also slightly sterile at times.

From my experience it is reduced quite a bit after 2 weeks of use but there are certain tracks that are bright in the way they are recorded I’ve played those tracks when I put the PZ in service and 2 weeks later and it’s definitely not as bright. 1 month is the time per Paul Hafner. I can see your concern with Focal speakers.

 

[Kingrex]

Did you end up purchasing the PZ3? I too have the Puritan 156 that my noise sniffer seems to admire as do my ears.

I asked my Gryphon dealer about the PZ3 and they encouraged me to look at Transparent power conditioners instead even though they rave about all of the other Gryphon offerings. And they know my current setup pretty well. I may have to find another dealer here in the US if I want to audition the PZ3.

Btw, I too also have the MSB Reference DAC.

I don't like to bash on stuff but Transparent power conditioners suck. Direct to the wall with amps is way better.

 

[Paul172]

Did you end up purchasing the PZ3? I too have the Puritan 156 that my noise sniffer seems to admire as do my ears.

I asked my Gryphon dealer about the PZ3 and they encouraged me to look at Transparent power conditioners instead even though they rave about all of the other Gryphon offerings. And they know my current setup pretty well. I may have to find another dealer here in the US if I want to audition the PZ3.

Btw, I too also have the MSB Reference DAC.

“I asked my Gryphon dealer about the PZ3 and they encouraged me to look at Transparent power conditioners instead even though they rave about all of the other Gryphon offerings”

This May of already

Did you end up purchasing the PZ3? I too have the Puritan 156 that my noise sniffer seems to admire as do my ears.

I asked my Gryphon dealer about the PZ3 and they encouraged me to look at Transparent power conditioners instead even though they rave about all of the other Gryphon offerings. And they know my current setup pretty well. I may have to find another dealer here in the US if I want to audition the PZ3.

Btw, I too also have the MSB Reference DAC.

“I asked my Gryphon dealer about the PZ3 and they encouraged me to look at Transparent power conditioners instead even though they rave about all of the other Gryphon offerings”

I may be late to this party but what Gryphon dealer in there right mind would recommend Transparent over the PowerZone? This makes zero sense too me.

 

[adyc]

I can help you with if you are looking for another US Gryphon dealer. That the one you talked to said what they said speaks badly for them. I borrowed mine to two people and six bought after hearing it. I love mine and would not hesitate to buy a second if I had a need to do so. You should drop a note to Gryphon and inform them about this dealer. IMHO.

I only want a dealer who honestly says his opinion even though I may not agree with him. I do not want a dealer who is always on the side the manufacturer not customer. Asking someone to report to Gryphon because he says bad thing about powerzone. Wow. That is too much.

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

I agree with you, a fair opinion from a dealer is a good point. Having said that I hope dealers can listen to components before deciding to sell it or not. I sometimes got the impression that dealers follow other commercial reasons rather than purely sound quality. For instance they take care more of “sales opportunities” than customer pleasures or needs.
This is the first time Gryphon offers a power “conditioner/optimizer/purifier” on the catalogue, many dealers might already have other brands in this camp. This shouldn’t be a factor.
I’m not referring to the dealer you mentioned above, that I don’t know at all, just to dealers around here I suspect might apply commercial interest over transparency in their choices.

 

[Arewethereyet]

For the PZ 3.20, what is the length of the power cord that comes with the unit? I am asking to determine if I can reach two separate home run outlets already wired or whether I may need to order separate cords from those that ship with the 3.20.

 

[aangen]

For the PZ 3.20, what is the length of the power cord that comes with the unit? I am asking to determine if I can reach two separate home run outlets already wired or whether I may need to order separate cords from those that ship with the 3.20.

The power cord that comes with it isn't worth using and could be replaced at a very low cost. Everyone I know who owns a Powerzone is using a high end power cord with it. It really makes a difference when you use a high end cord. The one in the box is a $2 cord. Get whatever length you like, at any price you wish to pay. But a $14k to $17K Powerzone deserves and rewards a very good cable.

 

[Paul172]

Asking someone to report to Gryphon because he says bad thing about powerzone. Wow. That is too much.

IMO it’s inconceivable that a Gryphon dealer who has experienced a powerzone would have nothing but praise for its performance. Not because it’s a Gryphon product but because it’s truly an amazing device that delivers unmatched performance to any system regardless of the brand.

Did I miss the post? Other price what bad things did this dealer have to say about the PowerZone? I don’t need to know who the dealer is. Thank you

 

[aangen]

I only want a dealer who honestly says his opinion even though I may not agree with him. I do not want a dealer who is always on the side the manufacturer not customer. Asking someone to report to Gryphon because he says bad thing about powerzone. Wow. That is too much.

I own a Powerzone. If you heard what this wonderful device does maybe you would think differently. If someone comes into a Gryphon dealer and asks about a Gryphon product, and the dealer says no, look at this other brand instead. That doesn't necessarily mean an honest opinion has been delivered. But perhaps you believe you understand the dealers motives.

 

[Lobster]

You said before that PZ3 is more than a Sakra level upgrade. Now you are saying that PZ3 is more than a BACCH level upgrade! Who’s speaking, the audiophile or the teenager in you?

Hello @luca.pelliccioli, I see you have both the Puritan PSM156 and the Powerzone 3, the latter describing as "far superior" to any other power product you tried. I can assume this includes the Puritan PSM156? Are you using the Powerzone 3 on its own or somehow together with the PSM156? Since I still see them both listed in your signature.

I wonder if my Boulder 3060 can be connected to it... it pulls 6,000 Watt / 25A peak power, which is over the 20A specs of the Powerzone.

 

[luca.pelliccioli]

Having two racks in my room I’m still using both of them.

PZ feeding MSB S202 amp, MSB Reference DAC (and the upcoming DD) and PS Audio Transport. Low rack on the front wall.

Puritan feeding Statement NG, Tempus switch and router PSU, analog rig on the other rack placed on the side wall.

I recently added the Schnerzinger Grid Protector to the equation - plugged into the PZ - and it seems to enhance even further the beauty of the PZ.

The PZ is not a conditioner/regenerator - it doesn’t sport filters or capacitors or toroidal transformers - it doesn’t limit the current flow. Gryphon guys are suggesting to plug their amps into the PZ, and I’m pretty sure they know very well how an amplifier works. For instance they recommend the PZ3.20 for a pair of their Apex monos (take a look at the specs of these beasts).

Anyhow I strongly suggest you to contact a Gryphon dealer to get your doubts resolved.

 

[Paul172]

I wonder if my Boulder 3060 can be connected to it... it pulls 6,000 Watt / 25A peak power, which is over the 20A specs of the Powerzone.

One of our fellow forum members is using a stereo Gryphon Apex with a power zone 3.20 the Apex has 2-20a power cables for powering. Like what @luca.pelliccioli mentioned gryphon will run a pair of apex mono’s off the 3.20 with no issues. I’d contact Gryphon but I’m certain if it handles a pair of Apex’s the Boulder amp is not going to be an issue.

 

[Popspin]

Hi PowerZone people:
I’m not prepared to go into detail yet on my PowerZones but after 3 days the impact is simply mind-boggling! I’ve always plugged amps into wall sockets. This was a leap of faith for me. And it’s paid off in spades so far.
Yes, I said PowerZones! As in 2 of them. A 3.0 dedicated to the amp and a 2.0 for pre amp, streamer and DAC.
My in-house demo was a .30 on my amp. Interesting demo which showed potential with just a single device. Now that the whole system is being “PowerZoned” the impact is undeniable and entirely positive.
I can pinpoint specific aspects of improvement in later posts but it’s the overall impact of the technology that trying I’m to grasp. These devices are taking an already excellent system to a place it’s never been. I’m enjoying the ride!

 

[aangen]

It keeps improving week after week. For at least a month. Welcome to the club!!!!

 

[Kingrex]

The PZ is not a conditioner/regenerator - it doesn’t sport filters or capacitors or toroidal transformers - it doesn’t limit the current flow. Gryphon guys are suggesting to plug their amps into the PZ, and I’m pretty sure they know very well how an amplifier works. For instance they recommend the PZ3.20 for a pair of their Apex monos (take a look at the specs of these beasts).

I would say it is a conditioner, but not operating in the traditional sense. My assumption is it strips RF from the power using the materials of the housing. If this is the case and the wire inside does not pass through any devices, then there would be next to no limitation to ampacity delivery. It's possible it could be slightly enhanced.
If the instruction for the Apex monos or for Boulder or CH Precision were to plug each of the power cords into a dedicated 20A outlet, then using one 20 amps outlet to feed one Powerzone would be limiting current. The solution might be to get 2 Powerzone. If you can afford the amps, you can afford 2 Powerzone.

 

[aangen]

I would say it is a conditioner, but not operating in the traditional sense. My assumption is it strips RF from the power using the materials of the housing. If this is the case and the wire inside does not pass through any devices, then there would be next to no limitation to ampacity delivery. It's possible it could be slightly enhanced.
If the instruction for the Apex monos or for Boulder or CH Precision were to plug each of the power cords into a dedicated 20A outlet, then using one 20 amps outlet to feed one Powerzone would be limiting current. The solution might be to get 2 Powerzone. If you can afford the amps, you can afford 2 Powerzone.

I have a PowerZone 3.20. In one zone I have the two power cords from my Gryphon Commander, one from a Grimm MU2, and one from my BACCH-SP. In the other zone I have the two PCs from my Gryphon Apex, a Schnerzinger Grid Protector and a Gryphon Ethos. If there is any current limiting going on it doesn't make itself obvious. I can run the Apex at full bias with no issues. I do start it in minimum bias and after a few minutes I can switch it to high. I might be able to start there but startup current MAY be lower starting at low bias. If someone is pushing a PowerZone harder I have not encountered them yet.

 

[Paul172]

I would say it is a conditioner, but not operating in the traditional sense. My assumption is it strips RF from the power using the materials of the housing. If this is the case and the wire inside does not pass through any devices, then there would be next to no limitation to ampacity delivery. It's possible it could be slightly enhanced.
If the instruction for the Apex monos or for Boulder or CH Precision were to plug each of the power cords into a dedicated 20A outlet, then using one 20 amps outlet to feed one Powerzone would be limiting current. The solution might be to get 2 Powerzone. If you can afford the amps, you can afford 2 Powerzone.

I think if owns a pair of Apex mono’s then you would need more than one PZ. 4 outlets would be taken from the 2 amps. Most would need more than 4 remaining outlets for their system requirements would be my guess. And yes I agree if you purchased two Apex’s two or more PZ’s are not financially out of reach.

 

[taww]

For anyone still in doubt, I can confirm the PowerZone is indeed magical. For me it took some time for it to click (right power cord and break-in) but after a month its positive effect on my source stack is remarkable. In my system it is the opposite of sterile - it’s made it far more natural, relaxed and realistic. I bought it solely on the gushing recommendations of @luca.pelliccioli, @aangen and others in another forum, so it was a bit of a gamble, but it has more than paid off.

My only problem now is how to get the Essence amp, which is 4m away from the source stack in a different room, on it. It would be ideal if Gryphon made a smaller single-outlet version. Oh, and there’s also my second system that needs it. I don’t think I can justify owning 3 of them though…….?

 

[JiminGa]

I own a Powerzone. If you heard what this wonderful device does maybe you would think differently. If someone comes into a Gryphon dealer and asks about a Gryphon product, and the dealer says no, look at this other brand instead. That doesn't necessarily mean an honest opinion has been delivered. But perhaps you believe you understand the dealers motives.

Dealers who sell both Transparent and Gryphon are free to share their opinions. In fact ethically they need to. I was at a persons home with over million in equipment including Apex monos and Mephisto monos. He has both PZ3 and multiple Transparent conditioners. He likes things about each and has not decided which he likes better yet. Everything is in context and no one should be calling out people who have a different opinion.