High-Performance Stereo With Stock Power Cords?

[Balle Clorin]

Advertising talk in one thing, but promoting and selling pure snake oil and nonsense is worse .Why people keep donating money to these high end snake oil producers is astonishing.Only a very tiny amount of knowledge is needed to se through the silly nonsense and impossible claims.

 

[Al M.]

I would guess WBF is actually turning a decent profit at this time, and a good way for promoting the other endeavors of the owners. Good for them ! Regular member posts have probably gone down somewhat in the process of commercialization, but WBF is still the most interesting place to learn and talk about audio. Manufacturers come and go, the ones being most aggressive in their initial introduction, do not normally last that long. The only ones that seem to have a lasting effect, are the ones that actually participate in a variety of threads on a regular basis, not just the ones cherry picked for promotion.

Thank you for this commonsense post, Milan.

There really isn't that much of a problem, it seems.

 

[Al M.]

Advertising talk in one thing, but promoting and selling pure snake oil and nonsense is worse .Why people keep donating money to these high end snake oil producers is astonishing.Only a very tiny amount of knowledge is needed to se through the silly nonsense and impossible claims.

Well, once a manufacturer uses the word "quantum" they have lost me...

I'm a scientist, and I don't like to be gaslighted.

 

[Charles S]

Ted and I are on the same page when it comes to wires and power. Your wires and power should always be the best that you can afford. I think this should be obvious. I never knew about Synergetic Research. I am heavily invested in AudioQuest but had I known about his company, things might have been quite different. I have zero hiss, hum or noise in my system with volume 100% wide open all inputs ear right at the speaker. The S/N ration of a MC3500 is an unheard of minimum 120 dB for a tube amplifier, and McIntosh is the only tube manufacturer that guarantees its specs. All specs of the MC3500 like 350 watts continuous 2, 4, 8, ohms at .3% harmonic distortion are minimums. The noise floor is about the most important quality defining the potential resolution of a high-end system. Sadly, silver is the best conductor for wires and power cords and is therefore the most expensive. It provides the lowest noise floor and best resolution. It does not impart any warmth as does copper so if your system needs that quality, I wouldn't recommend it.

Charles Updated System: Wilson McIntosh Audioquest

Amps: McIntosh: MC3500MKII (2); MC1.25KW (2); MC2.1KW An
Preamp: C-12000 An
Sources: MCD12000 An; MVP881; MVP851; MR87; Marantz 510LV; Lenovo Yoga laptop
Speakers: Wilson Chronosonic XVX
Sub-Woofer: Wilson Thor’s Hammer; Wilson ActivXO Stereo Electronic Crossover
Cables Main System AQ: WEL Signature speaker cables; 24’ balanced IC; balanced 1-meter Dragon IC ; WEL Signature digital, Coffee digital coaxial cables; Diamond optical (2); Diamond USB; Dragon (5 HC, 3 source cords); Thunder & Monsoon power cords
Cables Subwoofer System AQ: Redwood speaker cable; Wolf balanced subwoofer IC; Wind balanced IC to ActivXO; Hurricane HC; Firebird HC; Firebird Source; Dragon HC, power cords
Power Conditioners: AQ Niagara 7000; Niagara 5000 (3); (4) dedicated 20-amp lines.
Isolation: Wilson Pedestals; Bassocontinuo McIntosh Ultra Feet; X-material plinth
Cabinet: Double Custom Woodwork & Design (CWD)
Acoustic Treatments: Room and Echo Tunes

 

[bonzo75]

WBF is still the most interesting place to learn and talk about audio with video

Fixt

 

[andromedaaudio]

Well, once a manufacturer uses the word "quantum" they have lost me...

I'm a scientist, and I don't like to be gaslighted.

Lol , does Ted have a quantum product ?

 

[andromedaaudio]

Well, once a manufacturer uses the word "quantum" they have lost me...

I'm a scientist, and I don't like to be gaslighted.

Al , arent all things/ consist of Quantum ?

What is a quantum?
A quantum (plural: quanta) is the smallest discrete unit of a phenomenon.

Incl purple fuses and teds powercords

 

[Al M.]

Lol , does Ted have a quantum product ?

Yeah, he does:

"The new ORANGE Quantum Fuse is a direct result of technology we first developed for our Limited Edition Galileo SX PowerCell."

"At Synergistic Research we’ve isolated key factors that affect how electricity propagates by changing the behavior of electrons through Inductive Quantum Coupling methods we collectively call UEF Tech. In fact, UEF Tech is so powerful even an electrical chain several miles long is fundimentally improved with nothing more than a single fuse engineered with our patented UEF Technology."

Orange Fuse - Synergistic Research

Fuse Home Blue Fuse Orange Fuse Orange is the new Blue. The new ORANGE Quantum Fuse is a direct result of technology we first developed for our Limited Edition Galileo SX PowerCell. At its core are new UEF Technologies and a completely new multi-stage high voltage treatment process for the...

www.synergisticresearch.com

 

[Rensselaer]

Why not simply stay away from threads that are obvious attempts at advertising ? They are easy to spot. You will never see me participating in Taiko or Lampi threads or threads describing the wonderful properties of footers.

It is not always "obvious" to me. I avoided threads on Taiko as I am not into digital. My concern is that with advertisers disguising their sales patter as unbiased insight amongst legitimate discussions, it taints the entire discussion as unbelievable. If I can't trust what is written here, then why bother?

 

[andromedaaudio]

Yeah, he does:

"The new ORANGE Quantum Fuse is a direct result of technology we first developed for our Limited Edition Galileo SX PowerCell."

"At Synergistic Research we’ve isolated key factors that affect how electricity propagates by changing the behavior of electrons through Inductive Quantum Coupling methods we collectively call UEF Tech. In fact, UEF Tech is so powerful even an electrical chain several miles long is fundimentally improved with nothing more than a single fuse engineered with our patented UEF Technology."

Orange Fuse - Synergistic Research

Fuse Home Blue Fuse Orange Fuse Orange is the new Blue. The new ORANGE Quantum Fuse is a direct result of technology we first developed for our Limited Edition Galileo SX PowerCell. At its core are new UEF Technologies and a completely new multi-stage high voltage treatment process for the...

www.synergisticresearch.com

Sounds like Area 51 tech to me .
Has Ted worked there ?

 

[Al M.]

Al , arent all things/ consist of Quantum ?

What is a quantum?
A quantum (plural: quanta) is the smallest discrete unit of a phenomenon.

Incl purple fuses and teds powercords

Yes, I am a biochemist, and for example all chemistry is based on quantum mechanics, as these explain electron orbitals central to chemistry.

I just don't like pseudoscientific hogwash.

 

[treitz3]

Electronica I listen to, but it is not a reference as it is amplified and not acoustic.

I don't know if live big band is holographic any more than live orchestral, which in my experience is not. I rarely have that experience.

What I attempted to relay is that not everything is "reference". Folks have different expectations for differing genre's of music. I would not expect to listen to Natalie Merchant's, "The Peppery Man" and have a wraparound, fill the room type sound. Holographic imagery? Oh yeah, but specified.

Take Janelle Monáe on the other hand and listen to her, "Make me Feel" song. That is a COMPLETELY different experience. I would never expect that to ever sound like the aforementioned selection or say, a Fleetwood Mac selection. The differing genre's and types of music have vastly differing expectations that the user expects.

As for your last sentence - maybe it's just a terminology mix up. The reproductive effort is the part that has the holographic part. I mean, for example, one can't place a horn section 30 feet back behind the wall in your listening room.....but it is perceived as such. There's no way to do that without a holographic image placement of the horn(s) section. I didn't quite say that right (haven't had my morning coffee yet) , but I think you know what I mean.

Tom

 

[Rensselaer]

Advertising talk in one thing, but promoting and selling pure snake oil and nonsense is worse .Why people keep donating money to these high end snake oil producers is astonishing.Only a very tiny amount of knowledge is needed to se through the silly nonsense and impossible claims.

I herein admit that I lack that very tiny amount of knowledge so can't always spot the distortions of fact being heavily inserted amongst the pearls.

Lately, it seems as if every thread is started by Ted so he can then control and guide the ensuing discussion along the lines he wishes in order to sell products. It seems to me that WBF is all one big advertiser's venue (instead of an enthusiast's venue).

You all might well have the tiny amount of knowledge to easily sort the wheat from the chaff, but I don't. All I see is a website, the information within no longer kindly advice from those few with the knowledge to enhance the listening experience of everyone who watches these threads, but instead now predominately filled with unabashed advertising disguised as truthful insight in order to sell product. WBF, to me, is not truthful, is not inspiring, doesn't help and is no longer worth my time.

I said I am leaving, however one viewer suggested I hold off leaving to see where this goes. I suppose I should give the moderators (and the one, of two owners who is pushing for advertising dollars) a chance to reconsider whether their push towards advertisers dollars (at the expense of the only real value the site had). So here I am but ... tick tock.

 

[ssfas]

You’re making baseless claims. Our fuses are rated to blow on the safe side of industry standards. We sell over 10,000 fuses annually with a money-back guarantee—that’s $5 million plus worth of fuses every year. Almost no one sends them back, but when they do—even if they specify the wrong value or choose a fast-blow fuse when they needed a slow-blow fuse— or in the off chance they do not complement their system, they get a full refund, no questions asked. If our fuse’s specifications are not right for your system, you get your money back.
To my knowledge, we’re the only audio fuse company that offers a no-risk, 30-day money-back guarantee. That you doubt our fuses? Well, I’d love to see your system—I think I have a very good idea of what it might look like. Have a nice weekend!

10,000 fuses annually —where I come from, that’s $3,000 of fuses every year.

The only audiophile fuse I actually bought on purpose was one of yours, it was a black one on a half price sale so I thought, what the hell. It was 3.15A and I put it in my Innuos streamer that draws about 15w which is less than 0.1A. I didn't hear any difference and I think I may have left it in the machine when I upgraded it.

I know from the Littelfuse data sheet that their 3.15A cartridge fuse has a cold resistance of 0.0283 ohms and at full current will drop by 0.14 volts, which is nothing because the voltage supply could vary by over 20 volts from the 240v standard.

https://www.littelfuse.com/assetdocs/fuse-215-datasheet?assetguid=990f7193-d9a2-48e4-b760-2b43514249cf

They do a standard version which costs about $0.70, but an audio/medical version that costs about $10. The difference is that the latter has gold or rhodium plated brass caps, as opposed to the usual tin alloy, and is ceramic so won't leave a mess of glass if it blows.

Perhaps you can explain, without using any acronyms or buzzwords, what the technical objectives you seek to achieve when re-engineering a fuse. I mean, at some point someone must have sat down at a bench, thought that a standard fuse has some sort of weakness, and objectively sought to remedy it. I just have no idea what the weakness of a regular fuse is.

From personal experience, I feel much the same about power cables, and am more interested in the mechanical issues. Likewise, the plating of end-caps to improve the mechanical contact is very common, here in the UK MCRU, Russ Andrews and others do this and sell them for as little as $8.

 

[twitch]

It is not always "obvious" to me. I avoided threads on Taiko as I am not into digital. My concern is that with advertisers disguising their sales patter as unbiased insight amongst legitimate discussions, it taints the entire discussion as unbelievable. If I can't trust what is written here, then why bother?

OMG, for crying out loud, it's the internet !!! Robo-callers must have a field day with you !

 

[andromedaaudio]

Guys my new AI BOT girlfriend wants a present for Valentines day .

Guess what ......a new power cord .....Ted ??

 

[Porsche]

this thread is like the titanic,

 

[Al M.]

They do a standard version which costs about $0.70, but an audio/medical version that costs about $10. The difference is that the latter has gold or rhodium plated brass caps, as opposed to the usual tin alloy, and is ceramic so won't leave a mess of glass if it blows.

Yes, but you see those are not Quantum.

A quantum is a pesky little thing. It may be tiny but it costs you a boatload of money.

 

[Lagonda]

OMG, for crying out loud, it's the internet !!! Robo-callers must have a field day with you !

And even the best informed, with the best of intentions are full of it half the time. I have personally swallowed my share of uncooked camels in my years as an audiophile.

 

[Porsche]

so does power cables make a difference if your system is ran on battery power and not electrical?