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OMG! Did you get a look at the infamous Music Room 3?
I was a subscriber of TAS since day one and all I wondered about were these great HP music rooms at Sea Cliff. The systems, the setups, the recommended music, the fire, the upgrades.
What a disappointment
What a dump....
I was a subscriber of TAS since day one and all I wondered about were these great HP music rooms at Sea Cliff. The systems, the setups, the recommended music, the fire, the upgrades.
What a disappointment
What a dump....
Huh? I thought the room looked rather nice. I think you probably have an over romanticized idea
of what reviewer's rooms look like.
I think your comment is off the mark.
Heh, Heh, you should see my room. I like the "teddy bear" bass trap. He also has a fire extinguisher to put out frying components.
Not all rooms photograph well. But it does not look like a "dump" to me.
Having been out a Harry's several times, can say that's not true. He has a very quaint, old historic home.
I, too, have been in his home several times (probably 10 or 15 years ago). The house is very nice and the living room (Room 3?) is a reasonable size and not a dump. It wasn't, however, big enough for the ginormous Genesis towers and sub towers that were in it. Way too much speaker for that sized room and it certainly did not do the speaker justice. But the two times I was there, nothing that resembled any room treatment (other than the furnishing and equipment racks) was in place.
There is another room that had Maggies in it the second time I was there that was TINY !
I agree with Myles. Nice old historic home.
There is another room that had Maggies in it the second time I was there that was TINY !
I agree with Myles. Nice old historic home.
It has always been a subject of discussion how HP could evaluate large scale speakers Like the Infinity IRS v in those small rooms;
I think we buried the lead. HP may actually subject to open debate on the internet. Now that's exciting.
I think we buried the lead. HP may actually subject to open debate on the internet. Now that's exciting.
I enjoy quaint...I'm not much into sterile living spaces. It seems cozy in room 3.
Bruce B
WBF Founding Member, Pro Audio Production Member
with not a room treatment in sight (unless you include those 4 things getting ready to fall off the ceiling!) !! IMO... it's a very poor room to review equipment in.
But I do see a fire extinguisher!
Fire extinguisher in case the McIntosh amps blow up?
Well I am not sure that any of the celebrity reviewers have room treatments. Dudley, Framed, Atkinson, Valin etc have very little on that regard.
---- Should we invite him, right here? :b
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* The thing about several audio reviewers is that they have rooms like most common mortals. :b
So you have to read them with that 'realistic' touch. ...Certainly not highly 'pitch' perfect.
- Bruce and Mike should be pro audio reviewers. ...For that type of 'clientele', of course.
...Which is? ...Perfectionist, accurate, high-end type of people; and with money too to invest in efficient room treatments, and with both sujectivity and objectivity thrown into the mix. ...Accurate measurements, knowing how to read them well, and a very got set of ears; preferably young. :b
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Please don't.
I think HP was tired of dealing with all the anal-retentives at TAS, and won't enjoy interacting with more of them here.
Example- "But I do see a fire extinguisher!"
Guess you didn't read the rest of HP's post-"Don’t worry, the fire extinguisher was only momentarily placed on the back wall behind the loudspeakers. We do not listen with it located there." - HP
-- Yes Jap, I know what you mean.
But that 'fire extinguisher' here was simply a humoristic remark, no more.
But that 'fire extinguisher' here was simply a humoristic remark, no more.
I hope so, and I hope he accepts to join us here. He once answered my 'Letters to the Editor' in Issue 93, and it was a good feeling to read his reply.
Bruce,
Long ago I lived in an old house, with high ceilings (12"), suspended wood floors and thick stone walls and it sounded much better than any treated room I have been at - but I have never been at any of the super rooms of some WBF members.
A good friend of mine owned IRS Beta's in a similar old building with very impressive results. Besides, probably 95% of the people who will own such equipment will keep it in non treated rooms.There is one think that upsets me more than the absence of room treatments in room 3 - the presence of Nordost Odin cables. These very expensive cables can make such a large difference when they integrate a system that could compromise the generality of the reviews.
IMHO, the equipment is not the more relevant of HP essays - his analysis, findings and style are more important than the brands and models. He thought us how to become better and more critical listeners, his personnel choice of equipment and recordings were just the illustrations of his articles. And, as usual, when a reviewer says nice things about something we own or love it becomes a great review!
HI
I must say I am looking forward to HP return to the Industry he helped create. The man shaped some of my views on music reproduction. His writing style is unique and more precise than that of most audio reviewers around IMO and he is never dull. He entertains, sometimes I read his reviews just for the wordsmith and the entertainment value... One thing though, the man knows how to listen to gear ...This said ..
It is great times that some reviewers come to the new world of Room Treatment, though .. I mean one has to face the facts. From just looking at his room it is difficult to infer on the room treatment: they may not be apparent, I am being nice it seems that there is no room treatment anywhere in the room, that is odd. Yet ... most rooms in most houses need some room treatment and creating an environment with the best sonics, allow one to hear further in the equipment, in what they are doing, thus can only further the value of a review. We are at a point now where several afficionados rooms are superior to reviewers rooms (and systems) in almost all regards. Considering HP reputation it wouldn't be difficult to build a serious well treated room, it could well be. although these pictures don't seem to show any treatment. Interestingly HP, was back then one of the very first to stress the value of Room treatments when he , basically, introduced us, Audiophiles, to Floyd E. Toole.
One more thing I tend not to rely too much on what I liked in the past ... One may be surprised at what One , once, liked... YMMV
I must say I am looking forward to HP return to the Industry he helped create. The man shaped some of my views on music reproduction. His writing style is unique and more precise than that of most audio reviewers around IMO and he is never dull. He entertains, sometimes I read his reviews just for the wordsmith and the entertainment value... One thing though, the man knows how to listen to gear ...This said ..
It is great times that some reviewers come to the new world of Room Treatment, though .. I mean one has to face the facts. From just looking at his room it is difficult to infer on the room treatment: they may not be apparent, I am being nice it seems that there is no room treatment anywhere in the room, that is odd. Yet ... most rooms in most houses need some room treatment and creating an environment with the best sonics, allow one to hear further in the equipment, in what they are doing, thus can only further the value of a review. We are at a point now where several afficionados rooms are superior to reviewers rooms (and systems) in almost all regards. Considering HP reputation it wouldn't be difficult to build a serious well treated room, it could well be. although these pictures don't seem to show any treatment. Interestingly HP, was back then one of the very first to stress the value of Room treatments when he , basically, introduced us, Audiophiles, to Floyd E. Toole.
One more thing I tend not to rely too much on what I liked in the past ... One may be surprised at what One , once, liked... YMMV
Bruce judging a room's acoustics by a picture is like playing fantasy football.
I've heard speakers in HP's small room (yes the IRS, no less) and they sounded terrific, if not a little like near field listening, headphones. And I've heard speakers in the big room such as the NOLAs and they sounded good too. One must also remember that these speakers like HPs present Scaenas use DSP that also help minimize any room issues.
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