hp soundings

[A.wayne]

Err,

Sorry officer , i will adhere to the speed limits as posted ....

 

[MylesBAstor]

--And that's only one reviewer, you. :b

Dude you forget I ran two high-end audio magazines, served as equipment editor for another, and wrote for a couple of others. Think I know more than a thing or two about what goes on in the industry.

 

[audioarcher]

-- Everybody uses the same platforms (unless they are truly imaginative and creative), and the same basics; they only do their own implementation, like Lexicon did with the Oppo BDP-83 as just one example. And then they charge whatever they think it's fair, or unfair but without telling us.

Audio people, us, we are getting smarter now with the power of the web highways, and even if manufacturers change their name and identifications we can still decipher their signature through their detailed internals and claims.

And those so called audio pro reviewers of the Internet and all, them too we have a very close eye scrutinizing all their sayings and given scores. Ya, we do keep scores.

You wanna be a pro reviewer? You'd better be real good at it, and I mean "real good" in the full sense of not only the term but also from real experience in true reality and future durability.
Today ain't solid enough, tomorrow's continuity of today. And we are way passed most electronic products from yesteryear, even from the ones that have less than six months in them!
That's how fast and realistic that they have now to be, and constantly revise their reviews if they want to be in touch with the real world.

I can give you zillion of examples where reviewers were totally wrong in their product's assessments (reviews). It happens every day like the plague, a disease, an epidemic cancer. It's a total disgrace, an infamy, a total lack of professionalism and integrity.
They become the charlatans of our era without even knowing it themselves!

That's why we're here, to communicate and explore the truth and expose it.
...To be happier in our things that we enjoy doing, and without alienating our families and friends.

You wanna do a job, do it good or just don't do it because you make things worst in this world.

Here.

Nobody is perfect. Nor should we expect them to be. Even if they perfectly describe what a product sounds like in their system it could be a different story in your system.

There are to many variables. Reviews are helpful but will never tell you the whole story of a product as it relates to your system.

 

[MylesBAstor]

I would like to make it clear we are not doubting Myles , who i might add has admitted to receiving some , err, make that a few already burnt in ...

How did you request and recieve product at Audio adventure Myles ...?

I was the equipment editor back then (in the mid-90s) and nothing came broken in--and that was despite many requests to leading manufacturers.

 

[A.wayne]

Two words: Teflon capacitors.

But tell us how are you so prescient and know everything?

For the record, I contact every manufacturer and ask them if the gear is broken in. And 14 hours of anything is hardly enough to break in a speaker.

Myles,

How would you know 14 hrs is not enuff to break in a speaker and if the manufacturer tells you the equipment is not broken in How would you be able to tell if it was true or not .

To clarify , i said when shipping out , not to a reviewer, if to a reviewer I'm sure more "care" would be dialed in, more than the 14hrs if that was necessary ...

 

[NorthStar]

Dude you forget I ran two high-end audio magazines, served as equipment editor for another, and wrote for a couple of others. Think I know more than a thing or two about what goes on in the industry.

---- Myles, please, don't introduce me as "dude", it sounds "spacial" somehow. LOL :b

I don't and never doubted for a sec on your audio reviewer's aptitudes and experiences; I have great respect for you, whatever you might wrongly think of me.

The true science is not viewed through the eyes of the scientists, and their evaluations, but the discoveries themselves. - Bob (me)

 

[A.wayne]

Yeah ....what he said Myles , we are in discussion , nuff respect ....

 

[MylesBAstor]

Myles,

How would you know 14 hrs is not enuff to break in a speaker and if the manufacturer tells you the equipment is not broken in How would you be able to tell if it was true or not .

To clarify , i said when shipping out , not to a reviewer, if to a reviewer I'm sure more "care" would be dialed in, more than the 14hrs if that was necessary ...

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? I take them at their word. But the real proof is does the sound keep improving?

And many pieces of electronics get a couple of hours of being on just to make sure they work properly before being shipped. But no signal.

Now enough trolling.

 

[MylesBAstor]

nobody is perfect. Nor should we expect them to be. Even if they perfectly describe what a product sounds like in their system it could be a different story in your system.

There are to many variables. Reviews are helpful but will never tell you the whole story of a product as it relates to your system.

great post!!!!!!!

 

[MylesBAstor]

Besides why shouldn't a reviewer get an unbroken in piece to review? The consumer usually gets their gear new and it's useful to describe, given the normal state of mind of audiophiles, how the sonics change with time.

 

[garylkoh]

I guess that's another reason I'm an abnormality in this industry. I didn't know that I should be sending brand new units to reviewers and ALWAYS run them in before sending them out. The only time I sent anything brand new out (it was a speaker cable) I warned the reviewer that he was getting a new unit and needed to run them in.

For our smaller speakers, we run them in for 100hrs before shipping them out to customers. For the bigger ones, we run them for up to 500hrs before shipping. For review, I'd run them in for at least a couple of hundred hours and listen to them extensively before sending them out. May be I'm a little OCD but better to be safe than sorry.

 

[A.wayne]

But tell us how are you so prescient and know everything?

What you forgot , we're brothers ......

 

[A.wayne]

I guess that's another reason I'm an abnormality in this industry. I didn't know that I should be sending brand new units to reviewers and ALWAYS run them in before sending them out. The only time I sent anything brand new out (it was a speaker cable) I warned the reviewer that he was getting a new unit and needed to run them in.

For our smaller speakers, we run them in for 100hrs before shipping them out to customers. For the bigger ones, we run them for up to 500hrs before shipping. For review, I'd run them in for at least a couple of hundred hours and listen to them extensively before sending them out. May be I'm a little OCD but better to be safe than sorry.

Shhh Gary , now you have done it ....

Not unusual my friend done by many in the industry , best to keep it between us , you know how the press gets with this kind of stuff ....

 

[NorthStar]

-- Ok audioarcher (love the sport :b), we'll just forgive them (the pro reviewers) for forgetting the very important details on some of the utmost important features (from the products being reviewed), after we gave them our full trust and disposed freely of our hard earned money to purchase the ditto product only to find out later what the full truth was all about, and that they forgot to include it in their too short reviews because time was pressing them to other matters (reviews or whatever).

Yes, we'll forgive them, and just accept our loss and our naive trust. ...That's how we learn the hard way anyway.
I'm thinking about some very specific reviews here and from some very specific reviewers, so please bare with me to be on the same page.

No, we don't ask pefection from nobody, we know that it just don't exist, we ask nothing, we just read the review(s) and the recommendation(s) by someone(s) we used to trust; that's all there is, no more than that and no less of it, and perfection's expectation has nothing at all to do with it. ...Capiche? :b

 

[audioarcher]

Besides why shouldn't a reviewer get an unbroken in piece to review? The consumer usually gets their gear new and it's useful to describe, given the normal state of mind of audiophiles, how the sonics change with time.

As long as the manufacturer gives you enough time to burn it in and listen afterward I don't see a problem.

If the manufacturer was to burn it in first then they could be assured that it's sounding how they intended. It seems that would be in their best interest. I'm guessing most of them just don't have the time to mess with it.

 

[A.wayne]

Myles ,

You think Dave Wilson is going to pull a speaker out of production stick it in abox and fire it off , surely you jest

Its tested , burnt in , tested again , no one sends out a cold turkey , now A.wayne is not a 100% perfect, A.wayne only 98.5 % perfect, so I'm willing to accept i could be wrong here ..

 

[A.wayne]

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? I take them at their word. But the real proof is does the sound keep improving?

And many pieces of electronics get a couple of hours of being on just to make sure they work properly before being shipped. But no signal.

Now enough trolling.

That hurt Myles.... I'm standing firm on this ....

 

[NorthStar]

-- Just for precision, I am not talking about broken-in products from my last few posts, but missed information, not divulged (by simple mistake, lack of integrity, lack of knowledge on the product they reviewed I assume), but that made all the difference in the world! ...And it's too late when we finally discovered the fatal flaw. ...And we cannot use this product in our system, it just ain't working as it was mentioned (as a feature useful for many people) in the review! That's what I'm talking about. ...A fatal omission. ...Like this preamp has zero feedback (just as an example, but that ain't it), and then you bought it, you let it sit in your basement because you're in no rush and you feel safe about the future, and then you install it only to discover that the feature described before is totally flawed in its implementation, and that the reviewer forget to mention this very very very important point, and that the manufacturer doesn't have the info on his own website (a Samsung product by the way), and that you cannot return it because you passed the 30 days period time.

It's an honest principle man, it's a piece of vital information that consumers need (me, us, you, them), and it wasn't divulged, but 'camouflaged' somehow, and that irritates me deeply, and after the fact, when I learned the full story behind it, and that other reviewers and other manufacturers are doing the same, I'm boiling to the point of committing suicide (well, not to that extreme, but the thought was/is still there though). :b ...I should sue them for false info, stress vindication, inflicted emotional pain, escrocerie, bad bad bad misrepresentation, loss of trust, of self-confidence, destruction of vital internal organs, money wasted and now missing from my bank account, etc., etc., etc.

See, that's the thing today, reviewers simply don't have the full time and real dedication to be useful to us, the readers, the customers, the purchasers of the products they review; to the contrary, they are doing us a disservice. ...Not all of them, but just too many of them.
And the audio manufacturers are as guilty as charged. It's like a plot, an organized crime, the mafia, a plan by bank robbers, a complot to extricate money from innocent people, consumers, their own customers in order to rob them, and rob them good, with true dedication, and no compassion whatsoever.

I can bring you right here some concrete examples, but that would be extremely painful to them, and they would feel sorry to have missed some crucial points in their reviews. And I would make them understand very well that what they ultimately provided to some of us, smart readers, was only true deception!

Anyway, I'd rather talk about some' else. :b ..HP and his new website. :b

 

[Tonepub]

The fact that you think this is all a big conspiracy is laughable.

If you feel that you are an "innocent person that has been robbed without compassion," you really need to do your
homework more.

Most reviews miss something. Even when I've spent a couple of months listening to a component, trying this combination
and that, I always wish I would have spent even more time with it. But you can't really expect a mfr. to leave a five or six
figure component with you for a year.

I'm really curious, what "fatal flaw" did you not discover until it was "too late?"

All a review is for, even the best review, is to help you, the consumer put something on your short list to
audition and test drive for yourself, to see if it truly suits your needs, works in your system and within your
budget constraints.

Please let me know what manufacturer has deceived you. I'll be happy to make an introduction for you at
the next CES. I'm sure if you told them in person, they would happily refund your money.

You sound a bit dramatic here. "Destruction of vital organs?" Really?

If all else fails, start your own magazine/website, so you can tell us the real truth.

 

[jadis]

So, to get back to HP, I still wonder why he didn't make a call or text to Wilson or Wolf for a review sample in those last few years he was still with TAS. He had a lot of gears as we can see in his music rooms, Scaena, NOLA and Maggies. I think with his reputation, he need not attend a show to ask for a review sample.