Introducing the All-new Center Stage Ultra TT Feet for Turntables and Center Stage Ultra TD Feet for Tape Decks

[Wutang-401`]

@Steve Williams
I thought Joe's edict about other vibration management had a hierarchy as in:
MOST wrong is combining two isolation/vibration management footers on ONE device (i presume)

LESS wrong (but as per Steve Williams above) is having CMS on one device and something else on another device. (maybe "wrong" but the situation we will all be in I'd assume)

So to repeat - Arguably the above scenario (more devices than CMS footer sets) will happen to all of us with more devices we want to manage vibration on than CMS footer sets.

So for example I have 4 sets of CMS and one set of Wally Neumann (for my DAC) and speakers on Isoacoustics Gaia. It sounds great!

Will it sound better when I receive the LS2.25 to put under the speakers. I think so.

But I can tell you I am getting alot of CMS benefit despite the use of other footers on other devices (not same device).

Of course I am ignorant as to what a full CMS setup sounds like. But I want to reassure people that installing one set of CMS footers in your system is worth it. Yes more is better. But it all makes a very positive and substantial difference.

 

[Steve williams]

@Steve Williams
I thought Joe's edict about other vibration management had a hierarchy as in:
MOST wrong is combining two isolation/vibration management footers on ONE device (i presume)

LESS wrong (but as per Steve Williams above) is having CMS on one device and something else on another device. (maybe "wrong" but the situation we will all be in I'd assume)

So to repeat - Arguably the above scenario (more devices than CMS footer sets) will happen to all of us with more devices we want to manage vibration on than CMS footer sets.

So for example I have 4 sets of CMS and one set of Wally Neumann (for my DAC) and speakers on Isoacoustics Gaia. It sounds great!

Will it sound better when I receive the LS2.25 to put under the speakers. I think so.

But I can tell you I am getting alot of CMS benefit despite the use of other footers on other devices (not same device).

Of course I am ignorant as to what a full CMS setup sounds like. But I want to reassure people that installing one set of CMS footers in your system is worth it. Yes more is better. But it all makes a very positive and substantial difference.

I can tell you that each set you add causes noticeable benefit. The best case scenario for his footers is his footers sitting on his platforms.

 

[Ricco275]

@joelavrencik I have a Linn LP12 fitted with the trampolin 2 isolation baseboard. I imagine I can’t fit ultra footers under my deck as combining several isolation products would be counterproductive?

 

[Wutang-401`]

i received 2 sets of LS2.25 for speakers. stuck them under my AN-E speakers which are on stands. so the LS2.25 are under the stands. didn't use a bolt. just placed them under. they are not even in best places for weight bearing as some screw heads interfered with placement.

the footers replace Gaia.

before the Gaia i had many issues with speakers. boomy. bare wood floors with a big void under them. the Gaia's did an amazing job and so cheap! i was amazed by the Gaia's. thought they would never leave.

i stick the LS footers in and immediately it sounded much better than Gaia's. which is crazy to me but here we are. LS don't have same "sound" Gaia's have. more of frequency spectrum coming thru. less affect. the LS footers made the Gaia sound like chalk a bit. a nasty strain on the music that is only really noticed once it is gone.

the LS footers look funny. like little Japanese pets or something. they could be called "Sound Ballz" but apparently Joe doesn't want to sell too many of them so he calls them the LS2.25 ultra footer.

i have now ordered more footers so everything will be on a footer.

why? because to me these footers fix an issue which I don't even think alot of other isolation/vibration management manufacturers know is an issue. somehow they do stuff (i have no idea how) and they don't add to sound and that is saying alot more than it sounds like i am saying. they truly leave your system producing music and nothing else. it feels right, it sounds incredible. the only disadvantage i find is that they sound so right, that the moment i install them, i sort of take them for granted.

to me they fix a problem with hifi that few people even know exists. maybe there are other products like this but i never found them and i was looking.

 

[MusicFellow]

With the 2M gone, are the TC the ones to use with components as the name suggests? They would be much cheaper if they are on par with the 1.5 2M… or would you instead get the Ultra TT, which at least would be a confusing labeling? Hehe, call me confused…

 

[Steve williams]

I have 76 Ultra TT in my system they are IMO better than the TC Depending on what you plan to use under another consideration is the even newer LS Ultra 2.5 designed for speakers but because of their size I use them under my Taiko Extreme where they clearly bettered the Ultra TT

The TC replaced the 0.8. The Ultra TT replaced the 1.5 and it also has auto leveling as well as height adjustable

 

[Massimo66]

How are adapters used?

I've not used any CMS product so I'm not familiar with the application of this new TT footer as a potential replacement for the Ultra 5s currently attached via 1/4-20 adapters to my turntable plinth.

I will need to assure the plinth's height position could be maintained to assure current integrity of the motor pod/belt to platter relationship.

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Good morning. Sorry for the question but have you tried the tts under your Aries by replacing the stillpoints. I have to make a decision on what to mount on my Hr-x. What difference did you experience between the original presser feet and the stillpoints. in the past I had the arieS 3 and if I remember correctly the feet were identical to those of the HR. X.. any suggestion of yours would be appreciated, thanks in advance

 

[allvinyl]

Good morning. Sorry for the question but have you tried the tts under your Aries by replacing the stillpoints. I have to make a decision on what to mount on my Hr-x. What difference did you experience between the original presser feet and the stillpoints. in the past I had the arieS 3 and if I remember correctly the feet were identical to those of the HR. X.. any suggestion of yours would be appreciated, thanks in advance

I've never worked with an Aries series III table.

I believe one needs to provide isolation for both the plinth and any outboard motor pod. I've done both for my Aries I. Both contributed to significant improvements in sonics. The ability to level each with the other also provides improved integrity concerning the pulley/belt/platter interface.

No, I've not had the opportunity to try the Center Stage Ultra TT feet and compare them to the Stillpoints I use.

 

[Wutang-401`]

now have CMS on all parts of vinyl chain. i had to readjust feet on turntable the other day. the lack lustre sound post adjustment was in full effect. certainly the only drag with these things. you move it you lose it. it is a subtle change and itself varies but i can tell you, three days after it really is just not great. onward and upward!

i installed LS2.25 under my Tomei amplifier (i love the big balls!). they are just amazing things and i highly recommend them. so u have ultra TT under TT, RIAA and LS2.25 on the amp and then TC on everything else (PSU, SUT, power board). i also put the LS 2.25 under the speaker. still very happy with these changes (except for when i have to adjust and it all goes out for a week).

 

[TDX]

Ls 2.25 must be inspired by this piece.

 

[Wutang-401`]

one of the best things about them is how they look. and quite stable without attachment.

 

[Wutang-401`]

had to do some work on the turntable and so off the footers it came. when i first heard the CMS footers i thought they sounded very good immediately.

this time my impression is refined by having been thru the experience a half dozen times.

upon reinstalling them my impression is that they are very good. probably 75% of their total capacity. but day 2 and 3 are awful. i wanted to throw the system into the sea and i regretted every dollar spent on this folly.

then late at night at beginning of day 5 they suddenly got good again.

it really is a tedious aspect of using these footers. on the other hand, it sounds so natural and glorious when they have bedded in that i would never be without them.

 

[Steve williams]

had to do some work on the turntable and so off the footers it came. when i first heard the CMS footers i thought they sounded very good immediately.

this time my impression is refined by having been thru the experience a half dozen times.

upon reinstalling them my impression is that they are very good. probably 75% of their total capacity. but day 2 and 3 are awful. i wanted to throw the system into the sea and i regretted every dollar spent on this folly.

then late at night at beginning of day 5 they suddenly got good again.

it really is a tedious aspect of using these footers. on the other hand, it sounds so natural and glorious when they have bedded in that i would never be without them.

I agree. The new footers IMO seem to settle much quicker. By day 3 in my system all is good again

 

[Wutang-401`]

the CMS footers continue to amaze although i will say for a tinkerer the delay prior to them getting 100% is not good. the day 2/3 horror is reliable!

currently i have the footers under altec 602 cabinet. but the footers sit on the speakers wooden stand. does this work CMS experts?

to be clear the footers (LS 2.25) are under the speakers but sit on top of the stands. the stands are wooden and sit on the wooden floor. it sounds good i think.