Introspection and hyperbole control

[Ron Resnick]

But I wonder if the members over there really respect the over the top hyperbole of that Kronos review. No questions about direct comparisons with such absolute statements of best in the world.

Thank you, gentlemen, for commenting and for your support!

Peter, Perhaps people are less critical and less questioning and less analytical when watching a video review than when reading type on a page or screen. It was not until I carefully transcribed what Peter Breuninger said in his video review and I saw it in black and white that I realized just how over-the-top were his statements.

Every time I go back and re-read my report on his review (post #222 http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?18367-Introspection-and-hyperbole-control/page23) -- and see in black and white his actual statements in the video -- I reconfirm for myself that my critique is indisputably logically accurate, and that I stand behind it firmly.

 

[Al M.]

Every time I go back and re-read my report on his review (post #222 http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?18367-Introspection-and-hyperbole-control/page23) -- and see in black and white his actual statements in the video -- I reconfirm for myself that my critique is indisputably logically accurate, and that I stand behind it firmly.

Ron, I agree with your assessment.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Ron has been banned by Peter B?! This is just so much bullshit!
When Peter called us all wankers, he must have been looking in a mirror at the time.

 

[BruceD]

Ron has been banned by Peter B?! This is just so much bullshit!
When Peter called us all wankers, he must have been looking in a mirror at the time.

Agree childish beyond belief !

BruceD

 

[Billy Shears]

The members over at AVShowroomsforum seem so agreeable. On one level, that is refreshing. System discussions, turntable photo threads, new equipment info, music threads, all of these seem like nice, friendly, informative threads. But I wonder if the members over there really respect the over the top hyperbole of that Kronos review. No questions about direct comparisons with such absolute statements of best in the world. Really? In their efforts to be so friendly, do they avoid any and all critical comments?
I do like the music threads and lists on that forum.

I dont actually disagree with many points raised in this thread and certainly dont think Ron was treated fairly, but:

Being able to accept, that that is how someone feels about a product is not the same as agreeing with it or saying that such statements are a good thing, universaly true or good for credibility etc....

Being respectfull and accepting of different views is not avoiding crititcal comment. I had a discussion about reel to reel tape over there last week which is something i have "quite strong" views on. The reason the discussion stayed way friendlier than on any other forum is because non of the participents had a problem with expressing their views, talking about it and then leaving it at that....Refreshing indeed...

 

[Ron Resnick]

CONGRATULATIONS TO DAVID ROBINSON FOR INTELLECTUAL HONESTY AND HYPERBOLE CONTROL

In Robinson’s Brutus Awards for 2015, Part 1, David Robinson published his awards for the "best stuff [h]e heard this year.”

In the introduction to the awards, David states: “The products that we recommend in these awards . . . represent our take on "the best we've heard in our own listening rooms this year." (emphasis added)

I am delighted that David is not claiming that the products he is recognizing are the best in the world or the best available in the marketplace today or some other illogical and factually inaccurate statement. I applaud David for confining his statements to the facts of his research and, in so doing, exemplifying intellectual honesty and avoiding hyperbole.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Ron, I believe Myles Astor has referred to you as a Nazi on AVShowroomsForum.
My guess is many labels could be applied to you, some good, some not so good, but this one a LITTLE out of line LOL!
If you indeed are a Nazi, you're the most charming, generous one around.

As a result of this post, someone needs to set up a "Sycophancy Control" thread!

 

[Billy Shears]

Ron, I believe Myles Astor has referred to you as a Nazi on AVShowroomsForum.
My guess is many labels could be applied to you, some good, some not so good, but this one a LITTLE out of line LOL!
If you indeed are a Nazi, you're the most charming, generous one around.

As a result of this post, someone needs to set up a "Sycophancy Control" thread!

If you are going to quote someone at least give the whole quote:

Myles wrote:

http://positive-feedback.com/audio-d...r-2015-part-1/

Sure the "Hyperbole Nazi" will be all over this one too!

End Quote

It does not matter if you condemn or agree, at least lets try to keep it in the kontext...

 

[Joe Whip]

Speaking of hyperbole, if you use the word Nazi in describing anyone, you have lost me completely. That word is reserved IMHO for a certain depraved group, not anyone in the audio community. Myles frankly should know better.

 

[spiritofmusic]

If you are going to quote someone at least give the whole quote:

Myles wrote:

http://positive-feedback.com/audio-d...r-2015-part-1/

Sure the "Hyperbole Nazi" will be all over this one too!

End Quote

It does not matter if you condemn or agree, at least lets try to keep it in the kontext...

Billy, maybe you'd also like to add some context to Peter B's description of us as wankers.
Hmm, Myles and Peter seem like two peas in a pod. Or maybe when they were using their perjorative language, they were looking at themselves in a mirror.

 

[Billy Shears]

Billy, maybe you'd also like to add some context to Peter B's description of us as wankers.
Hmm, Myles and Peter seem like two peas in a pod. Or maybe when they were using their perjorative language, they were looking at themselves in a mirror.

No i would not, because you did not take the quote and alter it....

I am not making any excuses or justifications. I try to be in the truth game and not the Judgment or name calling game.

Its blatently obvious it was a insult, but calling someone a Nazi is infering that they are a Faschist, Antisemite and Racist. This is not something you should use if you dont mean exactly that. Personally i belive this word is not appropriate in any other meaning. You will have to ask Myles what he meant when he used the phrase "Hyperbole-Nazi" but do you honestly belive he was trying to say Ron was any of the above??? Its exactly that kind of judgement that makes Wars out of disagreement.....

 

[spiritofmusic]

Billy, what it means is that actually the honour of intransigence and narrow mindedness applies to them.
I agree, this is an argument about semantics, and I do believe the furore over use of language in these overly-PC controlled times is a major detriment to the culture.
I just find it hilarious that of all the people I know to be insulted in this manner, he picks on Ron (if you knew him, you'd know what I mean)

 

[bonzo75]

Quoting out of context and using just Nazi was a bit of an hyperbole

 

[Billy Shears]

Billy, what it means is that actually the honour of intransigence and narrow mindedness applies to them.
I agree, this is an argument about semantics, and I do believe the furore over use of language in these overly-PC controlled times is a major detriment to the culture.
I just find it hilarious that of all the people I know to be insulted in this manner, he picks on Ron (if you knew him, you'd know what I mean)

Agree. Bonzo just summed up the only point i was trying to make....

 

[Al M.]

If you are going to quote someone at least give the whole quote:

Myles wrote:

http://positive-feedback.com/audio-d...r-2015-part-1/

Sure the "Hyperbole Nazi" will be all over this one too!

End Quote

It does not matter if you condemn or agree, at least lets try to keep it in the kontext...

Bill, could you please provide the full quote from the page you linked? The page does not load properly, from several browsers at home and at work (sucky site).

Thanks
Al

 

[microstrip]

CONGRATULATIONS TO DAVID ROBINSON FOR INTELLECTUAL HONESTY AND HYPERBOLE CONTROL

In Robinson’s Brutus Awards for 2015, Part 1, David Robinson published his awards for the "best stuff [h]e heard this year.”

In the introduction to the awards, David states: “The products that we recommend in these awards . . . represent our take on "the best we've heard in our own listening rooms this year." (emphasis added)

I am delighted that David is not claiming that the products he is recognizing are the best in the world or the best available in the marketplace today or some other illogical and factually inaccurate statement. I applaud David for confining his statements to the facts of his research and, in so doing, exemplifying intellectual honesty and avoiding hyperbole.

Ron,

I fully endorse your nomination. Are you going to congratulate all the editors or forum owners that create similar lists? Everyone in the business knows that the "best of " is implicitly considering "the best we have heard". The very few times people referred to the "absolute best" they referred specifically to it and explained why - and many of us debated it, most disagreeing with their reasons, either philosophically or based on audio criteria.

Anyway I am delighted that David Robinson wins a INTELLECTUAL HONESTY AND HYPERBOLE CONTROL nomination for "the facts of his research". He is the editor of an excellent publication, one of the most hyperbolic in audio high-end, and a few days ago I had a goo time reading his fascinating and enjoyable trip "Impressions: In which Dr. David invites Synergistic Research to visit, and gets GOB SMACKED! 11-13-2015 | By David W. Robinson | Issue 82" http://positive-feedback.com/audio-discourse/impressions-in-which-dr-david-invites-synergistic-research-to-visit-and-gets-gob-smacked/

BTW, I was also disgusted with the use of the epithet used by MA. The main characteristics of Nazism are fascism and scientific racism ( I think it was the sense he was implying in his poor and improper use of the term ), however the horror and barbaric behavior of this particular period makes the use of the word in such situations deplorable, converting a debate in an insult exchange.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Thanks to each of your for your thoughts and support. I truly appreciate it!

If Myles Astor (whom I like, both personally and professionally) and Peter Breuninger disagree with something in my critique of Peter's video review of the Kronos turntable (post # 222 hereof http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?18367-Introspection-and-hyperbole-control/page23 ) why doesn't one of them simply write a post and challenge me in the marketplace of ideas, rather than vindictively banning me from his forum (Peter) or publishing a facetious remark (Myles)?

I stand firmly by every word I wrote in my critique. I truly believe my logic is unassailable. Very simply, if one is comparing a turntable to only two others, one should report that one's favorite is the best of the three, not the best turntable "available in the market today."

 

[bonzo75]

I stand firmly by every word I wrote in my critique. I truly believe my logic is unassailable. Very simply, if one is comparing a turntable to only two others, one should report that one's favorite is the best of the three, not the best turntable "available in the market today."

Especially not a reviewer.

 

[Billy Shears]

Bill, could you please provide the full quote from the page you linked? The page does not load properly, from several browsers at home and at work (sucky site).

Thanks
Al

Part 1

http://positive-feedback.com/audio-d...r-2015-part-1/

Sure the "Hyperbole Nazi" will be all over this one too!



Sorry i can only copy paste it. Cant do much if the link is not working....

 

[Al M.]

BTW, I was also disgusted with the use of the epithet used by MA. The main characteristics of Nazism are fascism and scientific racism ( I think it was the sense he was implying in his poor and improper use of the term ), however the horror and barbaric behavior of this particular period makes the use of the word in such situations deplorable, converting a debate in an insult exchange.

So what did he say? I think the link given is wrong, perhaps you can post the right one, thanks.

EDIT: Thanks, Bill, I just saw your post. The link has a […] in the middle, that's why it does not work. I suppose it's copied from a post here, not from the site itself.