Just surprised , that is all. WBF is a business. Your iPhone is just a device. Big difference. I simply assumed that as one of two owners you would be aware of this significant feature, the ranking of its membership in different categories. IMO, this is not a trivial, ancillary feature.
Is it Possible to Properly Evaluate a Product if one Doesn't Like how it Sounds? Are Experts just Preaching Their Tastes?
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Just surprised , that is all. WBF is a business. Your iPhone is just a device. Big difference. I simply assumed that as one of two owners you would be aware of this significant feature, the ranking of its membership in different categories. IMO, this is not a trivial, ancillary feature.
Yeah, if you really hate it - game over. For example, I get immediate listening fatigue experiencing wilsons: there's your midrange, tweeter, bass, dynamics, singer in Tokyo, guitarist in Nashville, etc. Same with Magico, unless the amp is CAT or Jadis. So those are out. If I never heard that audiophile dreck the rest of my life, I wouldn't miss it.
But there is some gear, where I don't like it in some situations, but I can enjoy it in systems that appeal to my tastes and preferences, I believe I can draw sharper contrasts and identify the tradeoffs and negatives (other than it's heavy, expensive, etc., fluff we get as negatives from disgusting "audio journalists").
Take dCS as an example: it's unlistenable to me in Wilson systems. But the Avantgarde distributor always uses it at shows with the effect of startling dynamics, and if used with tubes, I can enjoy the system. If I put it to the test against other digital, I would be able to break down its strengths and weaknesses. And more importantly, those differences can point out what I really like and help me on my journey
This is simply your pet narrative. WBF is a hobbyist forum with a business element.
I disagree it is a significant feature. You characterizing it as a significant feature does not, without more, make it a significant feature.
If it's such a significant feature how come you haven't ever mentioned it in the 14 years you have been a member of WBF, except now to parrot a TimA comment?
Funny that, DcS use Wilson speakers in their own factory listening room.
I like my little Wilsons. I listen to lots of things from a hard bop to plainchant via Japanese ambient. I don't listen to any opera at home because it doesn't work, although I listen to it live fairly often, and little orchestral, which I also find is best live. I don't find them in the least fatiguing, whereas I tried some Focal Diablo's and found those terribly fatiguing.
The only audiophile who insisted on listening to my speakers - he hated them. He has big B&W - I listened to them once and he realised I hated them as well.
So we respect our very different tastes and remain friends, as we've been for 40 years, and don't discuss hifi.
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I do consider the emojis a significant feature, you can voice your approval/disapproval in an easy, somewhat non confrontational way.
The trophy point system is silly, but maybe some will donate funds for points. I must admit i personally stoped my yearly donations as the forum became advertisement driven. I like the stats, gives you an idea of who is clearly driven to constantly post, almost obsessive for some posters.This is a subjective hobby - please don't take my dislike for this type of sounds as something you shouldn't enjoy. And I do find the smaller wilsons much better sounding than their bigger ones... As long as guys don't forcefully push their taste on other guys, good friendships should remain in tact
As for Wilson and dCS, it's a popular taste. The Analytical Sound recently had an executive who was a real huge wilson - dcs fanboy.... That combination allows both companies to create better design for that market segment / taste niche, which is a huge presence in the market according to the Analytical Sound dealer guide.
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You were a champion high school debater and it is evident in your response. You change the topic very skillfully. Your iPhone is a device. It is not in any way analogous to WBF, which is in fact a business as Steve told me the revenue checks that go out.
All I wrote is that I’m surprised you don’t know about this given that you are one of two co-owners. I better understand that you don’t seem to know what’s going on on your own website.
And I have discussed the emoji issue, both publicly and privately. You are following best practices I get that.
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This is a subjective hobby - please don't take my dislike for this type of sounds as something you shouldn't enjoy. (....) As long as guys don't forcefully push their taste on other guys, good friendships should remain in tact
Well , sometimes you say something that is true ...
Should we also consider that systematic insult of people and publications is also a subjective hobby and a type of friendship?
I agree - but unfortunately for hobbyists the business weight is now becoming dominant - the debate on reviewers and magazines is pure business, not hobby.
Probably Peter does not understand why he is "Well-Known Member" , I am "VIP/Donor" and TimA is "Industry Expert"
This system was amusing when WBF was started, IMO it became ridiculous with the forum evolution, as I said before. What should we do to get the tittle of "Sir"?
Probably Peter does not understand why he is "Well-Known Member" , I am "VIP/Donor" and TimA is "Industry Expert"
This is all obvious except why VIP is linked to donor.
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Maybe take a step back for a minute and look at what you are arguing about? Labels, emojis and ratings? The site is a hub for discussion of audiophilia. Like any site there are a spectrum of characters. There are people who subtly promote gear. There are people who prefer to criticize and be negative - about almost everything. And, there are the bulk of people - those who just like reading and discussing gear and the hobby.
Let's go the way some of you are pushing towards. Let's remove tags, voting, labels. bios etc...maybe even names. Let's sanitize the site. Maybe we should even use an ai filter to remove hyperbole and unnecessary adjectives. Then, finally, we will have a site worthy of merit! I am sure that'll be a fun place to spend time...
Let's go the way some of you are pushing towards. Let's remove tags, voting, labels. bios etc...maybe even names. Let's sanitize the site. Maybe we should even use an ai filter to remove hyperbole and unnecessary adjectives. Then, finally, we will have a site worthy of merit! I am sure that'll be a fun place to spend time...
the WBF forum was started by audiophiles, for audiophiles. it started mainly as a break-off from AVS.
ownership has evolved here and there. both the actual persons, and what they are doing. as far as the business part, i can't really comment exactly, not my area to worry about. from the beginning we did identify the charter members, but other aspects of recognition have evolved....stuff added here and there. and how various members of the industry are recognized and such.
i read these comments as tongue-in-cheek.
re-boot our history and make everyone the same? as if these last 13-14 years never happened? maybe also erase all the past posts too? i guess that is what some in any environment might like. so then we are more happy? because..............????
i think the weight of our past does add value. lots of energy and good times had by many. lots of people investing. recognition is evidence. but it's never going to be exactly fair or scientific. but there is some legacy here worth appreciating.
when we consider the alternative we seem to carry on just fine.
Mike! I think you know me well enough. I was being sarcastic. I am not in favor of sanitizing the site. I am not even in favor of neutering the various characters that inhabit itthe WBF forum was started by audiophiles, for audiophiles. it started mainly as a break-off from AVS.
ownership has evolved here and there. both the actual persons, and what they are doing. as far as the business part, i can't really comment exactly, not my area to worry about. from the beginning we did identify the charter members, but other aspects of recognition have evolved....stuff added here and there. and how various members of the industry are recognized and such.
i read these comments as tongue-in-cheek.
re-boot our history and make everyone the same? as if these last 13-14 years never happened? maybe also erase all the past posts too? i guess that is what some in any environment might like. so then we are more happy? because..............????
i think the weight of our past does add value. lots of energy and good times had by many. lots of people investing. recognition is evidence. but it's never going to be exactly fair or scientific. but there is some legacy here worth appreciating.
when we consider the alternative we seem to carry on just fine.
. My point is that we maybe take things a bit too seriously sometimes.
for sure. i did make it clear that i read your comments as 'tongue-in-cheek'. but it seems sometimes we can take ourselves too seriously. OTOH people have feelings, and that matters too. just not too much.Mike! I think you know me well enough. I was being sarcastic. I am not in favor of sanitizing the site. I am not even in favor of neutering the various characters that inhabit it
I went to a DcS demo in 2013 when they first released the Vivaldi system, played through a mid-size pair of Wilson. It had a holographic sound quality that I'd not really heard before from digital.This is a subjective hobby - please don't take my dislike for this type of sounds as something you shouldn't enjoy. And I do find the smaller wilsons much better sounding than their bigger ones... As long as guys don't forcefully push their taste on other guys, good friendships should remain in tact
As for Wilson and dCS, it's a popular taste. The Analytical Sound recently had an executive who was a real huge wilson - dcs fanboy.... That combination allows both companies to create better design for that market segment / taste niche, which is a huge presence in the market according to the Analytical Sound dealer guide.
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Sabrina are ideal for me as I hate deep bass, they work for the music I listen to and I listen fairly close (speakers 7' apart, me 9' from centre) in a room with an excellent acoustic. Bigger speakers, bigger problems.
Well, I would say that there also people who love to analyse the behaviour of others,
ignoring the reality. Yes, I know it is all an illusion ...Misrepresenting others intention with an imaginary extreme situation is easy but a poor tactics, and usually counterproductive. IMO no one will take it seriously - as probably you expected. All 'tongue-in-cheek', as Mike said.
But, isn't this what you are doing? Define, "Projection."Well, I would say that there also people who love to analyse the behaviour of others,
Misrepresenting others intention with an imaginary extreme situation is easy but a poor tactics, and usually counterproductive. IMO no one will take it seriously - as probably you expected. All 'tongue-in-cheek', as Mike said.
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