Is Wilson losing their marketing edge?

[KeithR]

I didn’t see RH “defecting” at all. He didn’t even compare to Magico Q7 (only Wilson Benesch) which I think pretty much sums up TAS these days. Such a shell of a magazine

 

[XV-1]

I didn’t see RH “defecting” at all. He didn’t even compare to Magico Q7 (only Wilson Benesch) which I think pretty much sums up TAS these days. Such a shell of a magazine

It is just Ceasar and him trying to create fake news as usual.

 

[Tango]

Given Wilson's target customers, I think they are hitting all the right buttons in term of marketing. They are not going after only the well to do diehard audiophiles. They are after The multi millionares who like to own what image to be the top and buying a luxury product costing less than a million not gonna make a single hair fall.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Robert Harley reviewed extremely favorably the Rockport Lyra. Interestingly, I think that many of his subjective comments about the Alexx apply very well to what I hear from the Lyra.

I wish he had tried in some way to compare and contrast the sonic attributes of the Alexx to what he remembered about the Lyra.

PS: If I wanted to try to be a troublemaker I would say that I would love to hear a comparison of the WAMM Master Chronosonic and the Rockport Lyra + Master Subsonics, for approximately 1/3 the price of the Master Chronosonic (without the subwoofers).

 

[tima]

Robert Harley reviewed extremely favorably the Rockport Lyra. Interestingly, I think that many of his subjective comments about the Alexx apply very well to what I hear from the Lyra.

I wish he had tried in some way to compare and contrast the sonic attributes of the Alexx to what he remembered about the Lyra.

PS: If I wanted to try to be a troublemaker I would say that I would love to hear a comparison of the WAMM Master Chronosonic and the Rockport Lyra + Master Subsonics, for approximately 1/3 the price of the Master Chronosonic (without the subwoofers).

It's done by a few but generally considered out of bounds to compare a product you have on hand with your memory of another in your same system- at least in published reviews. If you've formally reviewed product X, limited general remarks about it in a current review of Y can be okay because there is the published review of X along with, presumably, detailed notes to draw from. Of course people do it all the time informally on forums but imo you need to take that into consideration and recognize when those memory compares are across different systems, especially when the listenings are less than a couple-three records.

Price divergent reviews are fine, imo, as long as both products are on hand and in the same system. (Go ahead and be a troublemaker!) But those still are a bit tricky to do and the reviewer needs to be clear on what are compares and what are contrasts within the context of the price difference.

Part of the problem is the relative paucity of the common review language and use of adverbs and adjectives to represent the scale of differences and similarities. As observed before, there are only so many 'deepers' and 'clearers' one can write before the differences in degree are diminished by the reptitiveness of the vocabulary. That's why you may find subjective comments blurring into similarity across products and reviews. such as your case of of the Rockport Lyra and the Alexx. A lot of similar vocabulary is used. (And from memory reviews tend to fall back on that.) Imo, it's better to simply describe what you hear moreso than evaluate one product in terms of another.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Well, since one can hear massive differences in Wilsons when one driver is moved by a millimetre, I can't see any other spkr comparing.

The Lyras might as well stay in their packing crates.

 

[tima]

Well, since one can hear massive differences in Wilsons when one driver is moved by a millimetre, I can't see any other spkr comparing.

The Lyras might as well stay in their packing crates.

Thus Sprach den Geist der Übertreibung

 

[cannata]

I don’t think it is even close, Wilson tramps Magico at marketing, especially when it comes to budget. Just look at https://audiophilestyle.com/ top banner, what a surprise (again, the double standard by the all-loving WBF community, were a good Magico review was surly bought, right?). A bit of a shame that these so call reviewers can be bought so easily and in broad daylight, but that is the name of the game, and those with bigger pocket will prevail.

BTW, this was not a great review, lots of “getting used to” sentences, which are never a good thing. There is also a big difference between ending a review with “best Wilson” and “best” period. For a reference, you can reread his Magico Q7 review.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Thus Sprach den Geist der Übertreibung

Gesundheit!

 

[Ron Resnick]

It's done by a few but generally considered out of bounds to compare a product you have on hand with your memory of another in your same system- at least in published reviews. If you've formally reviewed product X, limited general remarks about it in a current review of Y can be okay because there is the published review of X along with, presumably, detailed notes to draw from. Of course people do it all the time informally on forums but imo you need to take that into consideration and recognize when those memory compares are across different systems, especially when the listenings are less than a couple-three records.

Price divergent reviews are fine, imo, as long as both products are on hand and in the same system. (Go ahead and be a troublemaker!) But those still are a bit tricky to do and the reviewer needs to be clear on what are compares and what are contrasts within the context of the price difference.

Part of the problem is the relative paucity of the common review language and use of adverbs and adjectives to represent the scale of differences and similarities. As observed before, there are only so many 'deepers' and 'clearers' one can write before the differences in degree are diminished by the reptitiveness of the vocabulary. That's why you may find subjective comments blurring into similarity across products and reviews. such as your case of of the Rockport Lyra and the Alexx. A lot of similar vocabulary is used. (And from memory reviews tend to fall back on that.) Imo, it's better to simply describe what you hear moreso than evaluate one product in terms of another.

Hi Tim,

I agree objectively with every single point you wrote. Still, those objectively correct points often have not deterred professional reviewers from using their reasonable best efforts to make such comparisons.

At least I am postulating a comparison of two speakers of the same dynamic driver design topology, and of two speakers with even a similar M-T-M design, with woofers underneath the M-T-M section.

With regard to your last sentence, subjectively, I still wish Robert had said something to compare them in some way. Maybe the Alexx and the Lyra are sufficiently similar sonically that only a direct, side-by-side comparison in the same room and with the same associated components would distill valid sonic differences between them.

Still, totally subjectively, I would be curious to ask Robert privately, “So if you had to choose between only the Alexx and the Lyra as the speaker you would keep for the rest of your life, which one would you choose?”

Realistically I think Robert truly likes both the Alexx and the Lyra. I know I do!

But I also know which one I would choose for the rest of my life.

 

[QuadDiffuser]

Hi Tim,
Still, totally subjectively, I would be curious to ask Robert privately, “So if you had to choose between only the Alexx and the Lyra as the speaker you would keep for the rest of your life, which one would you choose?”

Realistically I think Robert truly likes both the Alexx and the Lyra. I know I do!

But I also know which one I would choose for the rest of my life.

Ron,
Great question to Robert!
I’m very curious myself.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Do audiophiles show more loyalty to their gear than to wives-to-be?

Till death us do part? Marriage? Or spkrs brands?

 

[bonzo75]

Do audiophiles show more loyalty to their gear than to wives-to-be?

Both are often harsh on the ears

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Both are often harsh on the ears

Not if you are all in with both for the long haul.

 

[caesar]

caesar, to make a point.......you actually have to make that point.....especially in a now 9 month dormant thread. all you did was tease something. we assume from the timing you are jumping on the current XWX interest. but, of course, you have not yet explained that. and the significance of what Harley does or does not do is far past it's sell-by date.

Hi Mike, sorry I have been busy. Start typing and get interrupted... too many things going on ...

Also, you may have mistaken this thread for the Wamm Junior thread. I haven’t read it yet, but don’t intend to rehash.

The purpose here is to discuss economic and social aspects (which further influence economics) of the hobby. Influence by authority figures like Harley and computer audiophile is a big win for Wilson....

 

[caesar]

I don’t think it is even close, Wilson tramps Magico at marketing, especially when it comes to budget. Just look at https://audiophilestyle.com/ top banner, what a surprise (again, the double standard by the all-loving WBF community, were a good Magico review was surly bought, right?). A bit of a shame that these so call reviewers can be bought so easily and in broad daylight, but that is the name of the game, and those with bigger pocket will prevail.

BTW, this was not a great review, lots of “getting used to” sentences, which are never a good thing. There is also a big difference between ending a review with “best Wilson” and “best” period. For a reference, you can reread his Magico Q7 review

I didn’t see RH “defecting” at all. He didn’t even compare to Magico Q7 (only Wilson Benesch) which I think pretty much sums up TAS these days. Such a shell of a magazine

I don’t think it is even close, Wilson tramps Magico at marketing, especially when it comes to budget. Just look at https://audiophilestyle.com/ top banner, what a surprise (again, the double standard by the all-loving WBF community, were a good Magico review was surly bought, right?). A bit of a shame that these so call reviewers can be bought so easily and in broad daylight, but that is the name of the game, and those with bigger pocket will prevail.

BTW, this was not a great review, lots of “getting used to” sentences, which are never a good thing. There is also a big difference between ending a review with “best Wilson” and “best” period. For a reference, you can reread his Magico Q7 review.

That banner is one of the reasons I posted. I think Magico courted the computer audiophile

 

[caesar]

It is just Ceasar and him trying to create fake news as usual.

Guys, if you are not interested, please unsubscribe. Life is too short.

 

[caesar]

I didn’t see RH “defecting” at all. He didn’t even compare to Magico Q7 (only Wilson Benesch) which I think pretty much sums up TAS these days. Such a shell of a magazine

Hi Keith, I haven’t read anything of Harley for a while. It’s been a bunch of abstract garbage and BEST.. BEST...

Thanks for reading it for me

And it’s actually GREAT news he’s comparing!

 

[cannata]

That banner is one of the reasons I posted. I think Magico courted the computer audiophile

Never seen a Magico ad there.

 

[Steve Williams]

I don’t think it is even close, Wilson tramps Magico at marketing, especially when it comes to budget. Just look at https://audiophilestyle.com/ top banner, what a surprise (again, the double standard by the all-loving WBF community, were a good Magico review was surly bought, right?). A bit of a shame that these so call reviewers can be bought so easily and in broad daylight, but that is the name of the game, and those with bigger pocket will prevail.

BTW, this was not a great review, lots of “getting used to” sentences, which are never a good thing. There is also a big difference between ending a review with “best Wilson” and “best” period. For a reference, you can reread his Magico Q7 review.

You just can’t let it go can you

Whenever there is a Wilson Magico comment I always bet myself how long it will be before you start your usual .......

It really is old