Kuzma arms

[SOS]

Anyone with direct experience comparing the Kuzma Safir vs 4POINT vs 4POINT9 arms? What does the Safir arm do better than the others, with everything else being equal.

 

[tima]

My sense is that the evolution of Franc's designs are incremental, similar to the differences in going from metal to jeweled bearings in the 4Points. More of what the arm does well rather than big changes. That seems to be inline with Marcus' early account of the Safir in this post:

Kuzma SAFIR 9

But the biggest ? Is how does it sound compared to the 4POINT? I would guess the only thing to break-in is the tonearm cable. Looking forward to your thoughts. Enjoy

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I know you follow that thread. It will be interesting to hear more thoughts on the 4Point / Safir comparison.

 

[SOS]

So I've received my demo Safir arm 3 days ago and have now answered my own question "What does the Safir arm do better than the others, with everything else being equal."
Everything....it's a completely different animal than the 4POINT and 4POINT9. More air, more life, more 3D, more focus more depth, more EVERYTHING. There's no going back. Even the wife who came in for a listen said system is sounding fantastic what did you change? I showed her the arm and said it was made of sapphire. She asked " Does that arm cost more than my sapphire ring"? I just smiled

 

[tima]

She asked " Does that arm cost more than my sapphire ring"?

Tell her the arm was grown in a lab but her ring is from nature.

 

[Adagio]

Well, I assume that the arm really costs more than her ring, but don’t tell her!
(My girlfriend is a goldsmith and jewelry setter so I can’t fool her)
The Safir is awesome but what about setting it on a StabiR?

 

[Adagio]

She made these, 1,3K natural Ruby’s and top wesselton diamonds, white gold. Almost the same price as a Safir arm.

 

[SOS]

The Safir is awesome but what about setting it on a StabiR?

Well prior to the Stabi R I had the original Kuzma XL (non-dc version) with the 4Point. Sold 4 Stabi R tables so got to compare extensively the R vs XL. Yes the XL did bass better, bigger and fuller BUT the R was more focused and the soundstage more precise. Yes I could have upgraded the XL to the DC version but just the cost of the upgrade was more $$$ than getting a new R. Now with the Safir on the R it's even better than ever. Anyone in the MA / NH area please give us a call and come over for a listen and hear what the Safir doesn't do...like get in the way of the music which is howt a recent customer explained his thoughts to me.
BTW @ Adagio your wife does beauticul work

 

[Adagio]

Well prior to the Stabi R I had the original Kuzma XL (non-dc version) with the 4Point. Sold 4 Stabi R tables so got to compare extensively the R vs XL. Yes the XL did bass better, bigger and fuller BUT the R was more focused and the soundstage more precise. Yes I could have upgraded the XL to the DC version but just the cost of the upgrade was more $$$ than getting a new R. Now with the Safir on the R it's even better than ever. Anyone in the MA / NH area please give us a call and come over for a listen and hear what the Safir doesn't do...like get in the way of the music which is howt a recent customer explained his thoughts to me.
BTW @ Adagio your wife does beauticul work

Thanks!
I have the R myself, but with the 4-point 9” .
If I ever can afford it a Safir would be awesome to have on my R.

 

[shakti]

Well prior to the Stabi R I had the original Kuzma XL (non-dc version) with the 4Point. Sold 4 Stabi R tables so got to compare extensively the R vs XL. Yes the XL did bass better, bigger and fuller BUT the R was more focused and the soundstage more precise. Yes I could have upgraded the XL to the DC version but just the cost of the upgrade was more $$$ than getting a new R. Now with the Safir on the R it's even better than ever. Anyone in the MA / NH area please give us a call and come over for a listen and hear what the Safir doesn't do...like get in the way of the music which is howt a recent customer explained his thoughts to me.
BTW @ Adagio your wife does beauticul work

The Kuzma Safir 9 was presented in Munich on Stabi R. Sound was great. side to side comparison with Monaco III and Kuzma 4point 14“.

Stabi R and Safir were a much better team in this shoot out