1) You have been systematically trying to trash Magico. Are you frustrated you cannot afford a pair or do you have a hidden agenda? why do you bother at all posting on the Magico forum if you don't like how their speakers sound? There are a lot of well known speaker brands I don't like, I just stay away from their forum
2) Do you really believe people are stupid enough to buy a product JUST because it has good reviews? The only way to discover if a product is worthwhile to pay for is to listen to it. Reviews are there to indicate that something is worth listening, nothing more
3) if it would be so easy to "buy reviewers", why much bigger and richer companies such as Wilson, Focal, Sonus Faber, B&W are not praised as the absolute reference?
4) "Magico hand's selected reviewers": do you realize that there is a world beyond TAS and US? have you ever heard about top German magazines such as Stereoplay (in their ranking, there are 3 Magico speakers in the top 4 spots)? Have you ever heard about Stereo Sound, the reference magazine in Japan? Not a single company has earned more Grand Prix over the past 10 years, across all categories of hifi equipments...
PS: Magico speakers have no sound by themselves. They sound like the source you use because unlike 99% of speakers out there, they don't add anything to the signal. It is stupid to say they sound analytical. They just sound like the source you use with them.
Dude, you are kidding right? Your comments are hilarious. Everyone has got their fetishes. Most like a real woman, not a doll, others prefer something else… Juuuuuuuuuuuust kidding!!!!
I'm a firebrand, a critic, and an industry observer. I love this hobby and say things very that happen to be the truth that few people dare to say. I have no ambition of being the site president and I especially love to razz magico fans because there are living in a different reality, hence I call it Magico Derangement Syndrome.
Kidding aside, i know no one likes to have their baby called butt ugly. Yes, I know feelings get hurt, but why didn’t any Magico fans complain when Valin was trashing Magico’s competitors like Scaena in his reviews and Nola when they introduced their new speaker at a show? So just a little payback!!!
You guys can call me names and personally attack me, but I prefer to discuss experiences and ideas…which is the purpose of this site. This is a discussion forum where we discuss experiences and impressions. This is not a magico fan site. If you guys want one, I recommend you start one. It would be a great boon to the magico brand that u seem to love unconditionally. Martin Logan is one if the most valuable brands in the industry, perked up by their fan site. If you start one, I promise I won't join. You, Harley, the bald dude who looks like alon wolfs brother, the nice but awkward goateed dude from magico shows, and all the guys can have a big love fest all by yourselves.
Now let’s address some of your ideas:
“Magico has No sound of their own!” And you claim people don't believe the reviewers and marketing hype? This is hilarious! Even wolf would be ashamed to say this. Even Harley wouldn't dare to say this. Why isn't everyone using metal enclosures, btw? Many small companies without the gravitas may not be able to afford aluminum, but Sony’s and Pioneers are billion dollar companies and if they believed metal is best, they would use it. so would Wilson and mbl, focal, and the other big boys. Smaller companies can just outsource this and pass the costs on to the customer. Reality is: metal just rings differently, and the magico lackeys and dealers have propagated this myth. Run what I’m saying by others with knowledge who have no skin in the game, and they will confirm what I'm saying.
Now back to the sound. So you don't agree with me they are analytic. I’m not the only that thinks so. Check out Fremer:. How to draw the line between, resolution, transparency and musicality when building the system?
Rather than drawing a line, find a good balance. High resolution without "musicality" gives you an analytical sound that's at first exciting and then you stop listening. Fetishing over "musicality" (whatever that means but let's assume like pornography, we know it when we hear it) usually gives you soft, soggy, overly romantic and warm sound that bears little resemblance to live music. Transparency is always good but only in the context of a good balance of the other elements. For example, if you like the fast, transparent, analytical sound of a Soulution amp, try to balance it with a somewhat warm and forgiving speaker. If you go for one that's more analytical, say, like a Magico Q5, which is a great speaker, but on the analytical side IMO. So putting together those two products will probably not give you a good balance of transparency, resolution and musicality....
(Find the full interview here:
http://www.monoandstereo.com/2013/06/exclusive-interview-with-michael-fremer.html)
He's basically saying huge same thing I said in a previous post: " run magico speakers with warm amps!" and now that valin has new references, he has called the q7 a euphonic, colored speaker ("as you like it", using his lingo) compared to the q5 he almost bought.
Now about hand –picking reviewers: when was the last time Stereophile reviewed a magico ? Not since Fremer said the speaker had weak bass. I do a lot of work with entrepreneurs, and the #1 key most valuable marketing tactic a start-up can get is constant word of mouth that brings constant attention to the brand. That's what Valin did for the brand, and at the time he was considered one of the most gifted audio writers of his generation. No other marketing tactic is even close to what valin was able to accomplish for magico. And you think the Mahico stage guys will properly evaluate this sub? They will pop in some cheap sub and say something like: the “KMX” sub is a Great product. It makes great bass. It’s a steal at its price. But the magico product simply blew it away. And at 5 times the price, it should! " And why would the reviewers who have a close relationship with Magico criticize magico in any way? By acting like Magico’s PR guys they can stay at the front of the line when new products come out. And via the buzz Magico generates they get eyeballs on their sites, which they can show to their advertisers... and magico draws flies like nothing else. If those guys actually critically evaluate a Magico, on the other hand, like fremer did, they will not see a magico speaker, rack, or a subwoofer. But fremer's ability to speak his mind and truth that people already know about magico and the likes of mark levinson amps is what makes his reputation virtually unequal I this hobby.
I realize this post won't register with you, but this outsider perspective may give someone who has heard the buzz and is researching Magicos another perspective. I do agree that most people will listen for themselves, but at least they will have a different data point that's different from the propaganda they get everywhere else.
Coming back to valin, the man who made magico into what it is today, he now has Raidho speakers as his reference. He calls the raidho the most realistic speaker he has ever heard. He goes on to say that "ruler flat may look good on Paper, but doesn't sound right in the listening room." Valin is obviously recovering from his episode of Magico Derangement Syndrome. Amen!
And remember, just because you happen to like pistachio gelato, not everyone else does!
