Magico introduced the Q series subwoofers

[Phelonious Ponk]

Jeff Fritz did, plus he reviewed some. ...From SoundStage! At www.ultraaudio.com

* The Magico Ultimate is $600,000 pair! ...I like the design, but for less.

Sorry, I meant the speakers, not the sub. And not the $600k speakers, as that is simply ridiculous...something affordable...don't they make a set for a mere 60 grand or so?

Tim

 

[NorthStar]

Jeff Fritz did, plus he reviewed some. ...From SoundStage! At www.ultraaudio.com

* The Magico Ultimate is $600,000 pair! ...I like the design, but for less.

Sorry, I meant the speakers, not the sub. And not the $600k speakers, as that is simply ridiculous...something affordable...don't they make a set for a mere 60 grand or so?

Tim

That is exactly what I meant too; the speakers. ...Jeffrey Fritz never reviewed any Magico subs, only Magico speakers.

* I only mentioned the Magico Ultimate to put a new spin on a $36,000 subwoofer.

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Do you guys know any subwoofer's expert reviewers? ...Richard Hardesty? ...Any other one? ...& Mark Weiss (Basspig) is our bass guru here at WBF.
I think those don't come by so easily. ...Why? Because it demands expertise in the most challenging aspect of this entire audio hobby; the room's interaction with the lowest bass frequencies (LBF).
And for that an audio pro reviewer needs to be a pro acoustician with the right knowledge.

I can't wait to read reviews on these two new Magico subwoofers...

 

[Bruce B]

If Magico was so transparent, don't know why you don't see them in mastering studios. I can't think of a single one!

 

[rbbert]

Sorry, I meant the speakers, not the sub. And not the $600k speakers, as that is simply ridiculous...something affordable...don't they make a set for a mere 60 grand or so?

Tim

I think around $12k

 

[NorthStar]

If Magico was so transparent, don't know why you don't see them in mastering studios. I can't think of a single one!

Perhaps they were designed for that "certain" clientele? ...And not for the Mastering recording studios in mind; but that can change in the near future...

Nah, they were designed simply to be one of the best, that's all. ...And almost in any room.

 

[Steve Williams]

If Magico was so transparent, don't know why you don't see them in mastering studios. I can't think of a single one!

Paul Stubblebine immediately comes to mind with Paul using IIRC a one off pair of speakers from Magico

 

[Bruce B]

Paul Stubblebine immediately comes to mind with Paul using IIRC a one off pair of speakers from Magico

AFAIK..... he uses Focal Grand EM


Edit: Just read his website... "Custom built monitors by Alon Wolf". No Magico mentioned.

 

[mep]

Alon Wolf=Magical no? I do believe that Steve is correct that these are a special version that was never put into production. These were made back in the pre-aluminum days of Magico.

 

[Bruce B]

Nah, they were designed simply to be one of the best, that's all. ...And almost in any room.

Then a mastering engineer always wants the best!

Alon Wolf=Magical no? I do believe that Steve is correct that these are a special version that was never put into production. These were made back in the pre-aluminum days of Magico.

Hence my point, that there are no production Magico speakers in any mastering rooms.

 

[asiufy]

I know you're a mastering engineer, but I'm sorry, I don't see the correlation between good speakers and mastering rooms.
Take any 10 CDs. 9 out of 10 of those will probably sound like sh*t. Why would I want to hear or use the same loudspeaker the person (partly) responsible for that sh*tty sound used?

And those mastering engineers that DO care about good quality sound, it is my perception that there are commercial interests involved that'll likely influence their choice of equipment, so again, why would I want to give much thought to what they use?


alexandre

 

[Bruce B]

Take any 10 CDs. 9 out of 10 of those will probably sound like sh*t. Why would I want to hear or use the same loudspeaker the person (partly) responsible for that sh*tty sound used?

Guess they need Magico speakers then.

And those mastering engineers that DO care about good quality sound, it is my perception that there are commercial interests involved that'll likely influence their choice of equipment, so again, why would I want to give much thought to what they use?
alexandre

Because as a mastering engineer, I do. We want the best equipment/monitoring. I could care less if the consumer gives much thought to it.

 

[asiufy]

Guess they need Magico speakers then.

That'll be a good first step, as they're the most transparent speakers I've ever heard!


alexandre

 

[Bruce B]

That'll be a good first step, as they're the most transparent speakers I've ever heard!
alexandre

and I'm happy you feel that way.

 

[microstrip]

AFAIK..... he uses Focal Grand EM

Edit: Just read his website... "Custom built monitors by Alon Wolf". No Magico mentioned.

Quoted from a 2008 TAS article: MAGICO also makes to order the Reference, a $120,000 system recently chosen by the great mastering engineer Paul Stubblebine for his mastering room. The Reference was the only other model in the MAGICO line until an interesting collaboration developed between MAGICO founder and chief designer Alon Wolf and a small cadre of West-Coast audiophiles including Bob Nachtigall.

AFAIK Paul uses the Focal Grande Utopia in his studio and the Magico active system using many SET amplifiers in his home system.

 

[microstrip]

(...) But there is a huge range in there you could drive a truck through, and one man's neutral coud be another's gooey mess. Has Sean olive measured these things? May not have published it, bu t I'll bet he has, to compare them to Salons. Has anyone else thoroughly measured them? Start with some numbers and you could have a meaningful conversation instead of a musical/analytical grudge match. If their FR is flat , for a speaker, n an an anechoic room, and it stays pretty linear and changes slowly and smoothly as you move off axis, then relatively speaking, they are neutral, and then we'll know what analytical really means -- a distaste for the sound of your recordings, driven to the point of wanting cover them up with coloration. Nothing wrong with that, but let's call sunglasses sunglasses, not pretend they are more better visualcal than the clear light day.

Tim

Tim,
Why should Sean Oilve want to measure the expensive Magicos's?
BTW, F. Toole had not a conversation, but a full book on speaker measurement and development. Some people agree with him, some others have different views. What else are you looking for?

 

[FrantzM]

If Magico was so transparent, don't know why you don't see them in mastering studios. I can't think of a single one!

Bruce

In your estimation what brands of speakers are most used in Mastering suites? I don't have the answer but you might since this is your trade after all. I am almost certain the brand is not Wilson Audio. Can we infer that those brands are more transparent than Wilson?

 

[asiufy]

Bruce

In your estimation what brands of speakers are most used in Mastering suites? I don't have the answer but you might since this is your trade after all. I am almost certain the brand is not Wilson Audio. Can we infer that those brands are more transparent than Wilson?

Good one
For fun, put "mastering studios" on Google Images. See what comes up.
If you find a single studio with speakers you'd buy for home use, let me know. I couldn't find one I'd buy, let alone one that has speakers better than any Magico. I see some Focal, and Bruce's lone Wilson Audio. Of course, I'd buy neither for myself.



alexandre

 

[NorthStar]

Several brands of speakers are in actual use in all recording/mastering studios from all over the world.
I don't believe that one brand is used more than another.

You have the big studios (full flange speakers) and you have small ones (near-field smaller monitors).

* We might have a thread here at WBF talking about this very subject (from before): Which speakers are most used by recording/mixing engineers.
But like Alexandre just said in the above post; google is your best friend. :b

 

[Bruce B]

Bruce

In your estimation what brands of speakers are most used in Mastering suites? I don't have the answer but you might since this is your trade after all. I am almost certain the brand is not Wilson Audio. Can we infer that those brands are more transparent than Wilson?

Years ago it was Dunlavy. The brand that keeps popping up that I see are B&W. Mostly the 801 series. There are at least 3 mastering rooms that have Wilson that I know of. Most of the start-up's are buying Tyler. I know 2 that are using Maggies and 2 others using Revels.

 

[stereo]

Sorry, I meant the speakers, not the sub. And not the $600k speakers, as that is simply ridiculous...something affordable...don't they make a set for a mere 60 grand or so?

Tim

You can buy a pair of Magico S1 for 12.6k... is it not affordable for an aluminum speaker?