Sorry, I misread the Lamm with Wilsons XLF comment. I missed the reference to Focals. Thanks.
Sorry, I misread the Lamm with Wilsons XLF comment. I missed the reference to Focals. Thanks.
Others gave him advice too. One suggested selling the speakers instead.
Now he has sold everything, i think he is down to his underwear by now ! Starting fresh !
Many gave that suggestion. But the speakers were there first. There was no point getting the amp unless he was planning to sell the speakers
Who said you can't have both? I'm sure some people fall in all of the categories you mentioned.
my perspective is that the term 'completely' is not correct. the more correct term would be 'relatively'. compared to some other amplifiers the ML3's were not relatively as effective. but they were not objectively incomplete musically in any way. and according to some, maybe with the proper Lamm preamp, the degree of difference might have been reduced.
powered bass towers certainly help to make things complete while retaining coherence and balance.
i could have lived forever with the ML3's on my EA MM7 speakers and been happy. but not 'as' happy overall as i am with my darts. but i would have preferred the ML3's overall to the VAC 450 Statements on my speakers long term. however; Ron did prefer the VAC's to the ML3's and darts in my system. a matter of preferences.
and i view the ML3/XLF combo Steve has as a nice match. but his room is relatively smallish. and i preferred his system without the subs he had then.
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I never heard the VAC on your system. But I thought the Dart a better amp than the Lamm at your place. The Lamm became strident at higher volumes.
my perspective is that the term 'completely' is not correct. the more correct term would be 'relatively'. compared to some other amplifiers the ML3's were not relatively as effective. but they were not objectively incomplete musically in any way. and according to some, maybe with the proper Lamm preamp, the degree of difference might have been reduced.
powered bass towers certainly help to make things complete while retaining coherence and balance.
i could have lived forever with the ML3's on my EA MM7 speakers and been happy. but not 'as' happy overall as i am with my darts. but i would have preferred the ML3's overall to the VAC 450 Statements on my speakers long term. however; Ron did prefer the VAC's to the ML3's and darts in my system. a matter of preferences.
and i view the ML3/XLF combo Steve has as a nice match. but his room is relatively smallish. and i preferred his system without the subs he had then.
I bet I would have liked the VAC. I do usually like tubes.
hummmmmmm?
i don't recall any stridency from the ML3's, but it's been almost 7 years since then......
Can't speak for VAC specifically, but.as with everything, depends on the implementation if I like tubes. I don't write a blank check, as it were, to any topology or format.
relatively to the others.......it was a touch rounded and a touch blunted......plenty of big tube bass........classic nice smooth tube sameness......
not my ideal. but solid and competent. did not get out of the way of the music......awareness of listening through the amps.
if you never heard the darts......that tube sound might have been taken for musical truth. but......not how it went for me. and it lacked the purity of the Lamm.
but objectively beautiful and a joy. i get it.
in my system, to my ears. and at that point it was the 458 darts, not the 468's.
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There was one particular time it made me almost plug my ears. But, I usually listen at lower levels than other people.
One should never underpower anything ’ EVER ’ in my opinion. There should always be more power then needed, so the gear and speakers run as effortlessly as possible.
Or just get speakers which will have lots of power with 2 watt Mayer 46
Agreed. The question is do you choose the speaker first and then the amplification or vice versa? I suspect most choose speaker first and then find an amplifier that sounds good and can drive them, but I chose my amplifiers first and then found efficient speakers that they could drive properly.
I don’t know the specifications of the M9, but I suspect that there’s a select group of amplifiers people use with them.
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Yes, amplifiers become strident when we push them in clipping. In normal operation the ML3 is not strident.
Wrong , as usual ...Now he has sold everything, i think he is down to his underwear by now ! Starting fresh !
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