Modern speakers vs Vintage speakers

[Solypsa]

I heard smaller open baffle from WvL in Netherlands @ Primary Control a few years ago with diy H baffle sub....was very nice.

I know there are some modern field coil after the style of 1428B but I wonder if they acheived it? even dcm50 is styled after this driver...

 

[thomask]

Use this with Fostex FE 206en driver,you will love it open ,fast liquid.sound. you get real 40hz bass
Lowther are difficult to get under control, they break up between 3-8khz can be - + 5db then sounds cruel.
Exsampe fostex

Although I like Fostex supertweeter that I have, I am not in a hurry to add full range since I am happy with Altec A7 now.

 

[thomask]

20 years old Klipschorn went on sale.

Now I remember that Klipshcorn was at the ballroom of dormitory I resided from 1982 to 1983

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Klipsch Klipschorn for sale. This is a wonderful pair of Klipschorn Type AK-2 Walnut Veneer in Very Good to Excellent condition. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair sounds remarkable. They image great, t...

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[morricab]

Use this with Fostex FE 206en driver,you will love it open ,fast liquid.sound. you get real 40hz bass
Lowther are difficult to get under control, they break up between 3-8khz can be - + 5db then sounds cruel.
Exsampe fostex

Had this Fostex aand while under better control than Lowther still not good enough IMO. This is why I went 2-way full active.

 

[Addicted to hifi]

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20 years old Klipschorn went on sale.

Now I remember that Klipshcorn was at the ballroom of dormitory I resided from 1982 to 1983

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Klipsch Klipschorn | Full-Range

Klipsch Klipschorn for sale. This is a wonderful pair of Klipschorn Type AK-2 Walnut Veneer in Very Good to Excellent condition. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair sounds remarkable. They image great, t...

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These khorns look much nicer than the current model.

 

[DasguteOhr]

Had this Fostex aand while under better control than Lowther still not good enough IMO. This is why I went 2-way full active.

there is always something better, I still have mine, I think it's a lot of fun to listen to music with it.

 

[jespera]

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20 years old Klipschorn went on sale.

Now I remember that Klipshcorn was at the ballroom of dormitory I resided from 1982 to 1983

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Klipsch Klipschorn | Full-Range

Klipsch Klipschorn for sale. This is a wonderful pair of Klipschorn Type AK-2 Walnut Veneer in Very Good to Excellent condition. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair sounds remarkable. They image great, t...

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international house uc berkeley?

I cant remember if the khorns were still there in 94-95.

 

[thomask]

international house uc berkeley?

I cant remember if the khorns were still there in 94-95

Yes I arrived at Berkeley as graduate student in 1982 and stayed at International house for one year.

I left Berkeley in 1989, thus there is no way for me to know if Khouns were still there in 94-95.

 

[morricab]

there is always something better, I still have mine, I think it's a lot of fun to listen to music with it.

I had the modified versions mounted in the Decware HDT...was very good for what it was/costs....

 

[DasguteOhr]

I had the modified versions mounted in the Decware HDT...was very good for what it was/costs....

I'll tell you how I would build a horn speaker.
High : JBL 075 in a Jbl 2404 horn from 3khz-19khz
Mid : Electrovoice DH1A in a Altec 1505 Horn(Wood ) 450Hz -3khz
Bass: Altec 515b 8G in a Onken 27Hz-450Hz
Xover all drivers 18dB Slope some L-Pad for high and Mid
You get 102db/ 1Watt from 27hz to 19 Khz

after that you will only smile at people who buy modern speakers

 

[christoph]

I'll tell you how I would build a horn speaker.
High : JBL 075 in a Jbl 2404 horn from 3khz-19khz
Mid : Electrovoice DH1A in a Altec 1505 Horn(Wood ) 450Hz -3khz
Bass: Altec 515b 8G in a Onken 27Hz-450Hz
Xover all drivers 18dB Slope some L-Pad for high and Mid
You get 102db/ 1Watt from 27hz to 19 Khz

after that you will only smile at people who buy modern speakers

Is there a reason why you have not (yet?) built such a pair?

 

[jeff1225]

Is there a reason why you have not (yet?) built such a pair?

This was my question as well.

 

[bonzo75]

I'll tell you how I would build a horn speaker.
High : JBL 075 in a Jbl 2404 horn from 3khz-19khz
Mid : Electrovoice DH1A in a Altec 1505 Horn(Wood ) 450Hz -3khz
Bass: Altec 515b 8G in a Onken 27Hz-450Hz
Xover all drivers 18dB Slope some L-Pad for high and Mid
You get 102db/ 1Watt from 27hz to 19 Khz

after that you will only smile at people who buy modern speakers

Onken is not exactly a horn speaker. The 450+ is a horn in your design, and then below that is a 1 woofer box, reflex design. So a hybrid. While I personally haven't compared, those who have built good altecs I have heard told me to avoid Onken. There are better box designs (which are not replacements for A5, A7, or dual FLH 817).

Also why EV over an Altec driver?

And for a one woofer, why use 8 ohm driver when you can use 16 ohm?

 

[jeff1225]

Onken is not exactly a horn speaker. The 450+ is a horn in your design, and then below that is a 1 woofer box, reflex design. So a hybrid. While I personally haven't compared, those who have built good altecs I have heard told me to avoid Onken. There are better box designs (which are not replacements for A5, A7, or dual FLH 817).

Also why EV over an Altec driver?

And for a one woofer, why use 8 ohm driver when you can use 16 ohm?

When the two 515 woofers are wired up in the 817 they are 8 ohms correct?

 

[bonzo75]

When the two 515 woofers are wired up in the 817 they are 8 ohms correct?

Yes. But there because you are using two. If you were using one, why not keep at 16?

 

[DasguteOhr]

had something like that, the Jbl was without butt cheek horn that improves the radiation characteristics. I worked with horn loudspeakers for 7 years. I wanted a loudspeaker with horn dynamics and a spatial representation of an electrostat. I think I succeeded in doing that with Open Baffle.

today I would build as described above. why Ev 3inch drivers are even finer and more dynamic. onken plays deeper than a horn principle. the horn would have to have an area of at least 1.5m x 1.5m in order to reach below 30hz

 

[DasguteOhr]

You get 30hz when looks like this

 

[bonzo75]

Of course any box will play deeper than a horn in smaller size, and you will need a bigger horn. So this is only for those with small rooms.

2405 vs 2404 is a preference. Former is more forward directing and latter is more lateral ambience. Also, if you have wooden multi cell sex horn from Markus klug, for his own JBL tweeter he built a small multi cell instead of butt cheek. It just keeps dispersion of both the midrange and tweeter driver the same

 

[DasguteOhr]

Multicell for jbl 075 like dietmars horn speakers

 

[DasguteOhr]

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