Natural Sound

[tima]

Not exactly. I am saying a nice performance and recording can help you quickly filter out the bad ones. That is what 95% are. This is not possible with audiophile amplified recordings was my point, they will often mislead you into thinking this sounds nice, or rather, tough to tell. Auditory template for that will be the guy's system at home which if it is based on audiophile amplified recordings, well...

When it comes to the good stuff, that can take a process of then trying in different systems and finding contexts it does well/badly in, and then after that if you cannot eliminate further you just go with the best deal or some non-sonic reason or buy them all if you have the capacity.

Yeah I have some audiophile recordings both amplified and non-amplified. Back when I first started writing about equipment I might have used some in reviews - maybe Melody Gardot or Nora Jones. They certainly can sound quite nice and the songwriting is often interesting or clever. Many buying-oriented readers expect product comparisons and you can do that with audiophile recordings, but wrt auditioning for myself, no.

 

[awsmone]

Furthermore:

"A negative weak relationship was observed with the THD (r = - 0.42, p=0.06) and the IMD (r=-0.35, p=0.13) metrics. These results suggested negligible predictive values when utilizing THD and IMD metric in this context."

Notice it is a negative (albeit weak) relationship. Lower THD and IMD had slightly moer negative sonic preference.

"These results supported the skepticism that THD and IMD metrics were poor predictor of subjective perception of sound quality ratings."

I don’t consider 0.06 significant( 0.05)

Gedlee metric was 0.001 for SQ !

 

[awsmone]

I am not saying you need to confirm of recordings are good or not. You can play a good recording of Diana Krall, it doesn't easily highlight if system A or component A is better or worse than B. It can show some differences, but these differences don't mean much.

With violin, piano, and orchestra, you can know what to filter out pretty quick.

For me violin is a system killer, and hard to get right

 

[morricab]

I am not saying you need to confirm of recordings are good or not. You can play a good recording of Diana Krall, it doesn't easily highlight if system A or component A is better or worse than B. It can show some differences, but these differences don't mean much.

With violin, piano, and orchestra, you can know what to filter out pretty quick.

Not just classical music…

 

[morricab]

I don’t consider 0.06 significant( 0.05)

Gedlee metric was 0.001 for SQ !

Yes statistically significant well above 95% confidence.

 

[morricab]

I don’t consider 0.06 significant( 0.05)

Gedlee metric was 0.001 for SQ !

His point was that there is effectively no correlation between SQ and THD or IMD

 

[spiritofmusic]

There, Their, They're

Are those your preferred pronouns, Ked?

 

[awsmone]

His point was that there is effectively no correlation between SQ and THD or IMD

Correct due they believed to masking

 

[microstrip]

You are using the ML3 on you Soundlabs? Shocking … Careful though, there are elements within WBF (Bonzo) who will swear this can’t work and might attack you for years over it…

Again, why don't you ask the proper questions before speculating? I am listening to the L2 ref / M1.2Ref in the Soundlab's. But curiously, the ML3 can drive some versions of the SoundLab's better than many people can imagine.

 

[awsmone]

Again, why don't you ask the proper questions before speculating? I am listening to the L2 ref / M1.2Ref in the Soundlab's. But curiously, the ML3 can drive some versions of the SoundLab's better than many people can imagine.

Interesting I found 1.2 very good on CLX

 

[bonzo75]

Interesting I found 1.2 very good on CLX

The hybrids were also nice on scintilla.

 

[microstrip]

I had discussed with Herb Reichert, the idea that the recording process especially digital tends to somehow “bleach” the harmonics and a certain transfer function sees to restore the musical palette

Surely if you ask someone who prefers vinyl and a particular type of sound you get biased advice. I quote Michael Fremer describing his listening of digital recording LP:

" At around 2am, as the reverberation of the Ninth's last notes faded away, I found myself exhausted, overwhelmed, and somewhat disoriented, all in the most pleasurable way, by the most convincing illusion I've ever experienced—by a considerable margin—of having been transported from my modestly sized listening room to a concert hall (the Berlin Philharmonie). " from https://www.stereophile.com/content/sonus-faber-aida-loudspeaker.

It has been my point all the time - if you want to listen to digital stereo at its best you need an adequate system. IMHO both the XLF's and the AIda's (particularly the new Aida'II) are great candidates to such experiences.
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[microstrip]

Interesting. I think I read the ML2.x use a couple of dB as well.

I I remember well, around 6 dB local feedback, not global feedback.

 

[awsmone]

The hybrids were also nice on scintilla.

Yes I have the feeling the 1.2 need something to get there teeth into speaker wise

 

[awsmone]

I I remember well, around 6 dB local feedback, not global feedback.

Art D mentioned they changed the level of feedback downward on the ML2.2 , which effected its performance on Quad Esl 57 https://www.stereophile.com/content/lamm-ml22-monoblock-power-amplifier-page-2

 

[morricab]

Again, why don't you ask the proper questions before speculating? I am listening to the L2 ref / M1.2Ref in the Soundlab's. But curiously, the ML3 can drive some versions of the SoundLab's better than many people can imagine.

Did you miss the question mark? I didn't know you owned M1.2s...

Yes, SETs without global feedback can do fine on stats...they are not a risk from oscillation as there is no feedback loop for the nearly 100% of the input energy being pumped back into the amp...Stats are nasty this way because of the capacitance. I had very nice sounding Transcendent sound Beast monos that would start oscillating almost immediately on my Acoustats... My Silvaweld OTL monos were also not that happy. Of course neither of these is like Acoustats own direct drive OTLs, which worked at very high voltage directly on the panels. Same for Beveridge...

 

[morricab]

The hybrids were also nice on scintilla.

Completely different kind of speaker.

 

[morricab]

Surely if you ask someone who prefers vinyl and a particular type of sound you get biased advice. I quote Michael Fremer describing his listening of digital recording LP:

" At around 2am, as the reverberation of the Ninth's last notes faded away, I found myself exhausted, overwhelmed, and somewhat disoriented, all in the most pleasurable way, by the most convincing illusion I've ever experienced—by a considerable margin—of having been transported from my modestly sized listening room to a concert hall (the Berlin Philharmonie). " from https://www.stereophile.com/content/sonus-faber-aida-loudspeaker.

It has been my point all the time - if you want to listen to digital stereo at its best you need an adequate system. IMHO both the XLF's and the AIda's (particularly the new Aida'II) are great candidates to such experiences.
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This post about Herb Reichert was not my post...I was probably commenting on that post from someone else.

 

[morricab]

Art D mentioned they changed the level of feedback downward on the ML2.2 , which effected its performance on Quad Esl 57 https://www.stereophile.com/content/lamm-ml22-monoblock-power-amplifier-page-2

Comment implies global feedback, otherwise the back EMF from the stat would not have a path back through the amp, unless there is local feedback wrapped around the output stage and then it could have some effect.

 

[bonzo75]

Found another nice prophetic statement here

Soon to come, hORNS Universum mk4!

After a year and a half of many ups and downs in my life, which in the process i moved to a new home... i was thinking to get myself a new Audiophile experience\episode. something id never thought i could, not in a very long time before i moved out. at my old house i was listening and build my...

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