Talk about looking through the eyeglass in reverse! You worry about making better sounding recordings because people might think it’s due to better recordings and not because your system really sounds better than crappy IPhone videos?? So, you want to deliberately detune the recording so if people don’t like it you can blame the recording???
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Brad, I do not blame the recordings. The iPhone videos serves my purposes just fine. I told you that I would consider different gear but explained why I am hesitant. I remain open to the idea. Would you like to make a recommendation?
I researched this subject extensively in connection with the equipment I purchased to record systems in stereo. I got the Earthworks QTC40 Matched Pair. This is my microphone recommendation for your purpose.
I did not research dedicated ADC digital audio recorders but I do not think a basic one is very expensive.
this is why i avoid videos. too many questions that really cannot be answered. maybe someday there will be some sort of standard for doing this for everyone? but that is no more likely than all of us having the same system and room.
i respect those who do videos, and have nothing negative to say about what other people do making or watching videos. just not the thing for me. and acknowledge that occasionally i watch videos and enjoy them, or have my own feelings negatively about them.
i suppose overall videos are a positive.
I believe that the only possible legitimate use of videos is for an individual audiophile to record his/her own system using a consistent methodology while changing only one cable or only one component or one piece of acoustic treatment, etc., at a time, and then comparing two videos of this one system with only one thing changed. With this in mind enhancing the recording quality to make more apparent the sonic differences in a comparison with everything but one item being held constant makes perfect sense.
Thank you Ron. I like the quality of the video you made at Steve’s Horizon DAC launch. However, I have the impression that you do not plan to use this equipment to actually record systems for sharing or evaluation, just interviews for WBF
The more I think about this topic the more I think that a distinction can be made depending on how one wants to use the videos. If the only purpose is to directly compare two different components or set up changes in one’s own system, a better recording would be a better tool for this purpose.
However, people often compare one system in one location to another system in another location based on YouTube videos, or they judge the sound of one particular system in an absolute sense. For either of these cases, a more common standard would seem to be a better approach. Something that is simple and more or less ubiquitous.
It is an interesting subject but also a bit contentious. I doubt we will resolve it here in my system thread.
Sony PCM-D10, 96k/24-bit FLAC uploaded to Dropbox instead of YouTube.
I am glad you liked the quality of the video. I got the pair of microphones I am recommending to you precisely to record systems for future videos of specific systems. I have never used those microphones yet, and I have not yet done the recording of systems I am planning to do.
Thus far the only audio on my videos comes from the Sennheiser wireless mics for interviews, or the microphone built into the camera for general ambient sound.
Yeah. Or synchronize to a video, but I don't see why a visual is required.
Looks like they dug up the old video horse for another flogging
! At the end of the day theses simple videos are valuable assessment tools when one knows what they’re hearing and what to listen for, no different from hearing the system in person; not everyone gets it!So bypass the room and half the playback chain, digitize the analog signal with a set of proprietary algorithms then convert it to some file format with proprietary converters, upload that file to the cloud via unknown algorithms through several IPs, repeat the conversion processes again a few more times for download to computers with unknown storage mediums through random routers and played back with mystery players via hardware of unknown quality, including the DACs, tubed or ss. What if people play it back on their phones? This makes so much more sense now
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I already started audio only. Allows me to do blind tests as some people develop golden ears when they know the equipment involved
I did not realize that. Thanks. I look forward to seeing those future videos, presumably of WBF members' systems.
I think it would be very cool for you to make a WBF system unboxing and set up video of your system. It would be a good culmination of your Room thread. Then present a video of the way the system sounds with your feet up toes dancing on a stool enjoying all of the hard work that led up to this moment.
So bypass the room and half the playback chain, digitize the analog signal with a set of proprietary algorithms then convert it to some file format with proprietary converters, upload that file to the cloud via unknown algorithms through several IPs, repeat the conversion processes again a few more times for download to computers with unknown storage mediums through random routers and played back with mystery players via hardware of unknown quality, including the DACs, tubed or ss. This makes so much more sense now
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There's no lossy conversion to flac as it's native, nor during upload and download to cloud and through routers etc lol. Of course there's an unavoidable A2D no matter what you choose. The main point of something like a dedicated audio recorder would be to introduce a full range microphone vastly better than a phone for starters, and to avoid post-recording lossy compression on YouTube. Musicians use them as tools themselves.
Love the golden ear comment. Imagine video content on the super DAC debate threads!
You do do things differently, Bonzo. You don't have your own system, but visit others for short direct compares and then triangulation. Now you will post blank videos with no images. I think you should occasionally drop in a live performance video, tell them it's the latest DAC discovery or some obscure vintage system, and see what happens. Just be very careful what you call it.
Even more, Al. M. Most of us know that properly made videos and recordings have a reasonable value within their limitations. As always, knowledge and instrumental transparency is mandatory - people should know about the exact conditions and gear used for the recordings. We have good examples of it in the internet and even in WBF in the past.
However the videos being presented systematically show technical inconsistencies that their authors do not explain and IMHO can make them misleading - it is what creates discussion, mainly because they are being used for comparisons. No one had this kind of discussion when commenting REW measurements or speaker measurements in out threads.
And sorry, IMHO we should separate absence of knowledge from bravery.
Heh I did think of dropping in a live show. It will be fun if someone says this sounds artificial. It will be doubly fun when they watch out for a bluff, double bluff, instead of just listening.
Regarding the above debate, just enjoy posting your videos with the mobile. Videos in some ways are a thankless process. There will always be those who say a system in videos is sh*t, and frankly dealers or those sensitive shouldn't. On the other hand, there are some dealer video channels like Ultimate Audio who even they post bad sound and bad music get circulated because of the components involved (wadax, gryphon, etc). People do not care for sonic evaluation on videos, they will buy it anyway.
There are a handful of us who will enjoy these videos, and hopefully some will join in. I do think that overall Tang's videos and then mine and other that followed were overall positive in exposing more people to horns.
I can't stand professionally done videos like the ones by Moiz Audio. They do not let you understand the equipment at all. They sound great if your objective is to listen to youtube, but then why would you want to listen to audio equipment videos, just play live music videos or the ones where LP was recorded directly from the phono using Tascam. Those have awesome sound.
So all flac convertors sound the same. Compression softwares all use the same algorithm. A2D convertors are all the same. No difference in routers and networks, wired or wifi during upload and download? How about internet speeds? Servers? Time of day or month? What RefErEnce playback chain do you propose that guarantees the same results for everyone?
Musicians use mics as tools to enhance not evaluate. Apparently they have different qualities and character! This will always be a flawed process no matter what the phones are only a tool but more people have access to the same.
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Micro all videocomments are fair afaik , when the person who critisizes also posts a system video of his own system .
That counts for all audiophiles be it reviewers golden ears , natural sounders what ever.
If you wanna play you gotta put chips on the table
....Or whatever the saying was , lol
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