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[Lagonda]

American Sound, "The Absolute Nothing"

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Yes, Peters is on decimal point better, this turntable varies from 33,32 - 33,34, Peters does 33,33 rocks solid with no deviation at all. It deviates from 33,332 - 33,334 on rare occasions but is mostly stable at 33.333. The Roadrunner speed measurement tool is probably also more reliable, as it is hardwired/installed, not just placed on the platter. You should run the test on your VYGER, i would be very interested in the result.

 

[bonzo75]

We have members who visit many systems with turntables. And some take videos. How cool would it be to take along a Sutherland timeline strobe and record the results on other belt drive turntables like the TechDAS, Brinkmann, Nagra or VYGER?

Vienna posted tons of measurements during his auditions on the public tool where W&F can be seen. He bought the Brinkmann on measurements

 

[Lagonda]

Vienna posted tons of measurements during his auditions on they public tool where W&F can be seen. He bought the Brinkmann on measurements

I don't think Vienna auditioned any big boy, state of the art TT besides Brinkmann, he went from the badly built VPI right to it.

 

[Argonaut]

Yes, Peters is on decimal point better, this turntable varies from 33,32 - 33,34, Peters does 33,33 rocks solid with no deviation at all. It deviates from 33,332 - 33,334 on rare occasions but is mostly stable at 33.333. The Roadrunner speed measurement tool is probably also more reliable, as it is hardwired/installed, not just placed on the platter.

Ehhh ! Where are you getting this information from ? This is all the data supplied by the owner of this TD 124.

“ Stock TD-124. Fully restored by the best. Me
300ppm from 33.3333333 under dynamic load. Idlers ftw “

 

[Lagonda]

Ehhh ! Where are you getting this information from ? This is all the data supplied by the owner of this TD 124.

“ Stock TD-124. Fully restored by the best. Me
300ppm from 33.3333333 under dynamic load. Idlers ftw “

Absolutely nonsense, look at the data on the picture you linked to.

 

[bonzo75]

I don't think Vienna auditioned any big boy, state of the art TT besides Brinkmann, he went from the badly built VPI right to it.

No he auditioned many. He also had the continuum in his home for 2 weeks. The BB was chosen after trying many. SME and Sikora were also there, don’t remember all

 

[Argonaut]

Absolutely nonsense, look at the data on the picture you linked to.

‘LMAO …. And you believe that’s audible ? … How much did he pay for that infinitesimal delta over a 2K max 60 ish year old Idler ?

 

[Lagonda]

‘LMAO …. And you believe that’s audible ? … How much did he pay for that infinitesimal delta over a 2K max 60 ish year old Idler ?

I do not think it is audible but we are comparing measurements here, and when it comes to measurements Peters TT is very, very good. I am sure a lot of DD turtables vil do much better than that old idler too, but will they sound as good ? I dont think i can hear a deviation from 33,3 -33,5 if it happens gradually, but i can hear a clear difference depending on what type motor is running, higher torque motors with many poles sound clearly better on my turntable, even if there is a slight drift in absolute speed.

 

[Argonaut]

I am sure a lot of DD turtables vil do much better than that old idler too

Very likely , There again a vintage Yamaha GT 2000 DD would I suspect match the speed stability of an AS 1000 , or for something brand new with dealer warranty a Technics SP 10R would do the same .

 

[Bruno Rivademar]

I don't see where the nonsense about my comment and measurement is. Unless my math is wrong a 0.03% deviation is 300ppm.

 

[Lagonda]

I don't see where the nonsense about my comment and measurement is. Unless my math is wrong a 0.03% deviation is 300ppm.

It was your 33.3333333 number that had confused the poster, misunderstanding that your turntables speed stability was a match for the AS 2000, it is not. But surely impressive numbers for a idler.

 

[Argonaut]

It was your 33.3333333 number that had confused the poster, misunderstanding that your turntables speed stability was a match for the AS 2000, it is not. But surely impressive numbers for an idler.

Where did I state such a thing ? … My point being to illustrate that a well sorted 60+ year old idler could get close enough for it not to matter in audible terms .