Natural Sound
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Never before in human history has there been a greater discrepancy btwn the body you have and the body you think you should have.
Historians from the future will look back on that sign and rightly highlight it's cultural significance.
It breaks every sacred cow of political correctness/woke commandments.
Historians from the future will look back on that sign and rightly highlight it's cultural significance.
It breaks every sacred cow of political correctness/woke commandments.
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The sound of a cartidge hitting the record is very natural...
We better not start this discussion...
We already discussed this. We aspire to hear a sound which we think of as natural from our stereo systems.
The violinist who was made by his two human parents plays a song composed by a human on a violin made by a human in a hall build by humans.
Are you saying that the sound of that man made violin played in a man made concert hall by a man made violinist can not sound natural?
It seems most of us are trying to hear a sound from our systems that reminds us of that violinist playing in that hall. Would you rather have us discuss how unnatural our systems sound?
Perhaps someone should start a system thread called ‘Unnatural Sound from a Man Made HiFi System”.
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Well, that's a point, isn't it? Noone sets out to get an Unnatural Sound. Maybe some accidentally end up that way...although I can't see them starting a thread on it Lol.
I guess that does leave a few labels remaining.
Beautiful Sound.
Beguiling Sound.
Unforgettable Sound.
Etc...all of these equally attractive as destinations, again, noone would be looking for anything other than these at home.
The assumption is that people start off knowing what they want or the meaning of any of those labels, IME that’s not true. What I find is the exact opposite, most don’t even realize that there’s a “natural sound” or whatever label you want to use. Typically people hunt for new equipment tweaking parts of their system without an overall picture or direction and that’s the vast majority, please read your own process. This isn’t a knock on anyone, it’s a fact.
david
That is exactly the direction one should take in thinking about whether or not they have a natural sounding system. Comparison to live, unamplified music...made by human hands of course. If you get a shock from your system after returning from a concert then your system isn’t natural sounding and one should have a rethink...
Read any forum including this one. Again it’s not to put anyone down it’s how it is, very few have a clear understanding of what they want and how to get there. We start off with the idea of getting better sound but it’s undefined and gear lust is a big part of it too.
david
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This i agree, but the "industry" is to blame for it at least partly by making promises they do not keep... As long as "advise" is given with the intend of selling something at the end this will never change, it is just how things are and understandably so...
A friend (also distributor and audiophile) advised once a loudspeaker of a brand he did not represent as he truly thought it was the best choice for the situation at hand... so he lost the deal.... later (after a lot of negotiations) was he able to represent that loudspeaker brand himself...
So this also is possible....
I certainly hope you also told Peter he didnt know what he was doing as well...all those room tampons, Vibraplanes etc.
Not a knock, it's a fact Lol.
I can be sure of two things in this hobby, there aren't many facts, but plenty of knocks.
Tbh I may not be the greatest fan of SME Pass Magico etc, but if I'd never heard his system personally, I wouldn't have the nerve to judge it, or his direction, good bad or indifferent.
You’re welcome to see it anyway you want Marc. I never told Peter if he was on the wrong or right path not what I do nor what’s it about. He figured out what he wanted by himself. You’re confusing having a clear idea of what one wants and getting it with what’s better or worse.
david
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Not talking about brands or advice specifically. What took me the longest time was to figure out exactly and clearly what I was really after in highend after that I could make the right decisions. Prior to that point I was jumping around aimlessly thinking I’m doing better just because I heard something I preferred at that moment in time, there was no end game because there was no clear target.
I used to design products and interiors for a large part of my life, there are two ways to design it. You know the object you want to build, say a lamp. You start sketching and come up with a design and build it, plug it in and it lights and you have a working lamp, how it illuminates, wether it’s bright enough, too diffuse, too harsh was never a consideration but you have a lamp so now you have to look for ways to make it pleasing if you can. The other approach is understanding the illumination you want for the task and designing the lamp for that specific type of light, it’s a different way of doing things and working. It’s the same difference in systems, ie I want a highend system or I want this specific type of sound. This is why there are so many unsatisfied owners of very expensive systems.
david
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But here comes the rub, Dave. I also know the ultimate sound comes from horns. I'm also a natural sound afficionado as well (I'd just use a different strap line as a descriptor). I know from the two examples of horns that have spoken to me, that the deeper communication conveyed just can't be approximated by the best box spkrs demos I've heard (highly optimised Rockport Hyperion and Kharma Exquisite demos on Ypsilon SET100s and Tenor OTLs), or a close parallel universe on Apogee Divas which seem to get close to the real thing, but still do HiFi more than Real/Natural.
But knowing horns absolutely tug at my heart, some horns fall just short, many fall at the first hurdle.
And thus, a major conundrum exists. It makes more sense to find a box spkr with a uniform set of positives, hopefully SET-friendly as well, than a flawed horn design.
But knowing horns absolutely tug at my heart, some horns fall just short, many fall at the first hurdle.
And thus, a major conundrum exists. It makes more sense to find a box spkr with a uniform set of positives, hopefully SET-friendly as well, than a flawed horn design.
What about something like a Coax speaker with a horn tweeter and or mid and a conventional, Blut high sensitivity Bass? Odeon is a good option...for example.
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