On Cables

[Gregadd]

Combo unit in most every kitchen. Refrigerator/Freezer. As opposed to say a deep well freezer in your basement. Or a wine refrigerator. Its the compressor in the freezer section of my unit that is making the modulating hum.

Lol. Us old guuys use to refer to marijuana as reefer. I think you see where I was going.

 

[Kingrex]

Refer makes all cables sound better.

 

[Alrainbow]

I do agree long speaker cables is a non stater
low cap cables matters big time on long runs
a question can the preamp drive a long run ? what is the input imp of amps and output imp of preamp
aside of the TT a simple digital source with all in the same room to test short cheap cables then try long all in same room to observe any changes
we all may have alt views but all want the best sound
Gary of Genisis I truly trust on possibilities as I know him and his experience
im sure many here are also very good as well
to me short cables is best sound
but tubes can weigh heavy in great sound for there own comfort

 

[Ron Resnick]

. . . in my experience the VTL 7.5 mk II + Siegfried II connected with Mogami 2791 is a waste of time and money - I own them.

Thank you for your thoughts, Francisco.

Please elaborate on this view. How does Mogami 2791 render a waste the sound of those components?

 

[Ron Resnick]

blue jeans is one I use

Blue Jeans is closely related to Iconoclast. Do you have any experience with either of the Iconoclast interconnects?

 

[Dylan]

My solution to the cable conundrum: buy the speakers you love from a dealer you trust. Ask the dealer that you trust what amp he recommends with the speakers. Ask the dealer that you trust what cables he recommends with the speakers and amp. Then be happy and listen to music.

 

[Alrainbow]

Sorry I don’t only Mogami
and blue jeans
Mogami is more mid centric
where bluejeans is more top end
but it really is the wire used
beldon has many
known specs matters to me it’s why I’m shy of exotic types
I. Was advised to try bluejeans on phono from cart to phono pre and phono pre to pre
the low c was best and was way better then stock stuff I was using
this led me to buy the bal long run cables
I’m sure there is better but better is a condition we each may perceive alone
mine was 40 feet all in
now much shorter
I think cable length effects the sound

 

[microstrip]

Thank you for your thoughts, Francisco.

Please elaborate on this view. How does Mogami 2791 render a waste the sound of those components?

The sound becomes flat and lacking life, transients are lost in the excess of midrange weight. The Siegfried sounds extremely powerful and full, you have to have to allow life and articulation to flow in the system. IMHO , the VTL7.5 mk3 is not so easy to complement as the ARC REF40 - it needs some tuning. Just a feeling, but I would love to listen to the top Cardas with the VTLs.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Just a feeling, but I would love to listen to the top Cardas with the VTLs.

I have the same feeling about the Cardas Clear Beyond interconnect.

 

[microstrip]

I have the same feeling about the Cardas Clear Beyond interconnect.

According to my calculation around $26500 for a 15m IC ...

 

[Ron Resnick]

Sure is some expensive as all get-out wire ‘ya talk’in ‘bout there!

 

[ddk]

Just a feeling, but I would love to listen to the top Cardas with the VTLs.

I have the same feeling about the Cardas Clear Beyond interconnect.

Your feelings will change after you try a 15m run of it! Like most audiophile ics the sound will fall apart and get peaky after the first 7-8m. For many audiophile cables 5m-6m is their limit.

david

 

[Ron Resnick]

Your feelings will change after you try a 15m run of it! Like most audiophile ics the sound will fall apart and get peaky after the first 7-8m. For many audiophile cables 5m-6m is their limit.

david

And the Mogamis and the Beldens do not get fall apart and get peaky?

The audiophile cables often have higher capacitance than the Mogamis and the Beldens. Why would the audiophile cables emphasize higher frequencies (rather than tend to roll off higher frequencies)?

Thank you!

 

[ddk]

And the Mogamis and the Beldens do not get fall apart and get peaky?

No, they’re mic cable properly designed for long runs.

The audiophile cables often have higher capacitance than the Mogamis and the Beldens. Why would the audiophile cables emphasize higher frequencies (rather than tend to roll off higher frequencies)?

I don’t know Ron nor do I care! Not talking about Cardas, the Typical answer will be impedance curve from the guys who buy off the shelf stuff and dress it in pantyhose. They’ll braid, twist or come up with some other shit, call it magic and sell it to you. If you really want to throw money at 15m wires ask Transparent or MIT to build them and compensate for whatever it is with their networks.

Thank you!

david

 

[PeterA]

And the Mogamis and the Beldens do not get fall apart and get peaky?

The audiophile cables often have higher capacitance than the Mogamis and the Beldens. Why would the audiophile cables emphasize higher frequencies (rather than tend to roll off higher frequencies)?

Thank you!

I may be mistaken, but peaky to me doesn’t necessarily mean high frequencies. It could be a peak anywhere along the frequency range. Why do you specifically mentioned the high frequencies?

 

[Ron Resnick]

I may be mistaken, but peaky to me doesn’t necessarily mean high frequencies. It could be a peak anywhere along the frequency range. Why do you specifically mentioned the high frequencies?

You are correct!

 

[PeterA]

According to my calculation around $26500 for a 15m IC ...

Ron also mentioned master built cables. What do your calculations tell you about the cost of a 15 m run of top Masterbuilt ICs?

 

[Ron Resnick]

If you really want to throw money at 15m wires ask Transparent or MIT to build them and compensate for whatever it is with their networks.

david

Nope! I will start with whatever you recommend!

 

[Ron Resnick]

Ron also mentioned master built cables. What do your calculations tell you about the cost of a 15 m run of top Masterbuilt ICs?

I have no idea. Muchos shekels!

 

[microstrip]

Your feelings will change after you try a 15m run of it! Like most audiophile ics the sound will fall apart and get peaky after the first 7-8m. For many audiophile cables 5m-6m is their limit.

david

Never tried 15m but the Cardas Golden Reference IC is one of the lowest capacitance cables I have seen, I measured around 200 pF for my 7.5 m run that operates wonders even with with high impedance tube electronics. This gives around 30 pf per meter. Surely a few audiophile cables can have more than 800 pF per meter - I have measured such high values - and can sound miserable in long runs.

Please note I have no experience with Cardas Beyhond ICs and have not measured them. Also Ron VTL preamplfier has FET SS low impedance bufffers.